[Dynagroove] giving credit where credit is due

[ed rosenthal]

Here we go..........

:)

So much that is musical is just an extension of something that was 
previously created. Even the keyboard tones on a synthesizer were 
pre-programmed by someone on a development team somewhere, so even truly 
"original" electronic music without any samples are still not completely 
original. With music, everything really is everything.....Why take the time 
to point out that someone's beats are more or less original than anyone 
else's? The song should speak for itself..... You don't see anyone 
criticizing Harvey for the Black Cock stuff, nor the Idjuts for the Noid 
releases, nor Laj aka Ray Mang aka Motif for any of the re-edit stuff that 
doesn't give original credits. Maybe nobody cares, or maybe people just 
recognize that the sampling and editing is so good that it is an artform in 
and of itself and not worthy of criticism. I don't think this is an argument 
as much about whether sampling other people's stuff is good or not, it is 
really about the quality and craftsmanship that is displayed by a producer's 
sampling ability. If you really want to break it down, you gotta go back to 
the days of disco, funk, and soul where house music was really born. Hell, 
even rock and roll for that matter...... The point is that music is meant to 
be enjoyed, and when criticism overshadows musical appreciation, it doesn't 
make much sense to me. Movies are remade all of the time where the originals 
were foreign films that no one has ever seen, but you don't hear people 
screaming about it. Why? Because new interpretations on familiar themes are 
what artists do, and music is no exception. Instead of belittling people for 
not doing enough with a given set of samples, why not praise them for what 
they did do.......

Ed

>From: Cade O Nelson <con at reelhouse.net>
>To: Amy <amy at reelhouse.net>
>CC: dynagroove at reelhouse.net
>Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] giving credit where credit is due
>Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:52:18 -0800 (PST)
>
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>
>ahahah you sound like the whiners that shut down nabster...
>Unfortunately most "electronic" music = jacked beats.. Ice Cube summed
>it up best in his "jackin for beats" song. Look at all the crap our friend
>sean combs puts  out.  "every breath you take?" common....   Or how bout
>when DJ buck  jacked JT Donaldson's beats less then 2 months after the
>release.  and  you are  "surprised" by this?  Yes be sad or what have you
>but that is the way  these producers work.  No need for the surprise..  If
>I had a $ for ever MAW beat that has been hijacked.  And I bet you some of
>those songs you adore so much growing up in Detroit had a lot of jacked
>beats too.  And some crusty house head from 8 years before was whining
>about those tracks too.
>
>
>
>On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Amy wrote:
>
> > I came across my most FAVORITE record of ALL time in 1995...the Kenny 
>larkin
> > remix of Inner City's "Share My Life".  If you've heard it, you 
>understand how
> > it could easily be ANYONE's favorite record.  Simply beautiful.
> >
> >
> > Now imagine my horror as I recently listened to Igloo's fifth 12 inch. 
>Song 1:
> > "Outter City" is the EXACT same track, minus the gorgeous vocals, and 
>WITHOUT
> > any credit given to the original artists or remixers. Maybe I wouldn't 
>care so
> > much if it were a white label or something, but it really bothered me,
> > especially when I considered who put this track out. Yes, I know this 
>knockoff
> > shit happens all the time, but I am really sad to see the anyone other 
>than the
> > original artists take the credit for my favorite record.
> >
> >
> > This track is so amazing that I'm sure many of you have it, and I won't 
>be
> > surprised if I hear it out all the time... I just wanted to bring this 
>point
> > up, so that when you praise this "new" record you just 
>heard/played/bought,
> > that you praise the right people, Kevin Saunderson & Kenny Larkin.
> >
> > Amy
> >
> >
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