[Dynagroove] who ever started this thread... /yourself & dieinafire

Thu Jun 24 11:32:48 PDT 2004

I prefer the email-list setup over the forums - people don't always have time 
to go to forums to see what's going on, but it's really not hard to hit 
delete if you're not interested in a particular email, or even thread.

personally, I've been enjoying reading everyone's opinions.

-Mike

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The StormRiders

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From: "michael reyes" <mike.r at golden-pacific.com>
To: "Jonra XXX" <designforms at hotmail.com>, <i&8342930 at hq.newdream.net>, 
<dynagroove at dynagroove.com>
Sent: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:05:02 -0700
Subject: RE: [Dynagroove] who ever started this thread... /yourself & 
dieinafire

> THIS is why we need an online FORUM.  so that all of the brilliant minds
> 
> (such as mine) can post ramblings, opinions, & other garbage without 
> turning the emails of dyna-listers into a chat room. --m
> 
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> From: dynagroove-bounces at dynagroove.com
> [mailto:dynagroove-bounces at dynagroove.com]On Behalf Of Jonra XXX
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 2:49 PM
> To: i&8342930 at hq.newdream.net; dynagroove at dynagroove.com
> Subject: [Dynagroove] who ever started this thread
> 
> This is such bullshit............get a fucking life.. does anyone 
> have anything better to do than fill e-mail with bullshit opinions. 
> I mean everyone has their opinion about dj's, but I mean to dis some 
> locals like this is such crap. I mean every dj has off nights ,
>  event the best big dollar dj's . I have not seen anyone from this 
> list come with mad skills and blow every promoter,dj or producer out 
> of the water and if you think you can bring kid I ask where the fuck 
> are you skills put your money where you mouth is ........ I am 
> calling you out...!  Jonra  DFR...........private responce welcome
> 
> >From: Will Yardley <i&8342930 at hq.newdream.net>
> >To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
> >Subject: [Dynagroove] Re: I am going to start some trouble...
> >Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:26:17 -0700
> >
> >I've been trying to stay out of this thread, but I guess I'll speak
> >up now.... I'm a little hesitant to disrespect pretty much anyone
> >who's getting paid more money than I am to play records in front of
> >people... it's true that people aren't always successful for the
> >"right" reasons, but almost all of the people mentioned in this thread
> >have been doing what they're doing for a long time, and have almost
> >all EARNED the respect that they currently enjoy.  Everyone has their
> >on nights and off-nights.
> >
> >Do I have my personal opinions about some DJs I think are over
> >/ underrated? For sure - anyone who knows me probably knows
> >this. However I'm going to try not to get sucked into discussing these
> >personal preferences on the list, especially the negative ones.
> >
> >Since I don't think anyone else said it in this thread, I will repeat my
> >opinion that Jonathan Lastra is way underrated, and that people should
> >book him more. And I suck for not going last time someone booked him,
> >but someone bring back John Acquaviva.
> >
> >Anyway, responding to multiple messages... extremely long rants below.
> >
> >On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 07:25:19PM -0700, Lucas Dodson wrote:
> >
> > > We can start with house..
> >
> > > Juan Nunez he has some great tracks but wouldn't you too if you were
> > > part owner of WAX.. heard this guy trainwreck so many times.
> > >
> > > Scott K. Really a nice guy but do I have to go any further...please
> > > buy new records or do something..oh yeah beat matching is necessary.
> >
> >First of all, I think it's kind of uncool to disrespect people who are
> >on this list (well other than Cade... he deserves it for starting this
> >thread). I mean props for being honest, I guess.... but try to imagine
> >how you'd feel if I started a thread about how overrated and horrible
> >Lucas Dodson is.
> >
> >Anyway, Juan... all I can say is that I almost never hear him play where
> >there aren't at least a few songs that make my ears pick up or where I
> >have to go ask him "what's this song". Overall I have heard him play
> >some really good sets and some sets that I wasn't so into - but there's
> >always at least something there for me -- and since I'm a pretty picky
> >bastard, that's saying a lot.
> >
> >I've already expressed my feelings about the "beat matching" thing. I do
> >think that it's different for someone like François K. who has been
> >around for a billion years and CAN beat match but chooses not to...
> >anyway, I'm not totally into the tyranny of beat matching, but it does
> >kinda suck when people try to beat match, but trainwreck every mix.
> >
> >There are some people who can pull off NOT beat matching very nicely
> >(David Mancuso comes to mind), and I don't think there's anything wrong
> >with that. Also, I think I'm less picky than some people... some tracks
> >are deceptively hard to beatmatch, and I'd personally rather hear good
> >music than good mixing any day of the week (though of course both is
> >usually best).
> >
> >On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 06:59:07AM -0700, Cade wrote:
> >
> > > Eric Davenport    -  Someone knock on this guys door and let him know
> > > that breaks were mid 90s.  He claims house but the house he plays is
> > > just dull.  No funk, no bump, and like a techno-breaks edge that I
> > > despise.
> >
> >I haven't heard him play in years, but the CDs I've heard that are
> >recent don't really interest me much... however my complaint was more
> >that there wasn't *enough* breaky stuff - sounded like boring crappy
> >house to me.... I definitely respect this guy, but I'm not really into
> >the stuff he's doing these days (production or DJing).
> >
> >On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 10:30:47AM -0700, D. F. Bacon wrote:
> >
> > > I'll agree with the person whomever said that Derrick is a totally
> > > different person in Los Angeles.  I have seen him play in SF, and in
> > > Miami and I found his sets in both places to be quite a bit more
> > > interesting than that stuff he plays in big rooms in LA.
> >
> >I haven't heard him a lot of times / places in the past 6 or 7 years,
> >but I think the same may be true of Mark Farina to some degree... I
> >think a lot of DJs may "dumb it down" a little for LA crowds.
> >
> >Are there people who are great producers / bad DJs (or vice versa)? YES.
> >I have mixed feelings about whether these people should (get booked /
> >put out records, respectively). But it's not totally fair to expect
> >people to be great at both - some (lucky) people are, but a lot aren't.
> >Both things can be huge time / money / energy drains.
> >
> >Another truth is that some DJs may feel that they are "expected" to play
> >a certain type of sound, and they may have found that when they try to
> >branch out from that too much, the crowds aren't feeling it... or on the
> >flip side, they may be completely uninterested in the sound that they're
> >originally known for, and may be playing completely different stuff now
> >(leading some people to say "so-and-so sucks now").
> >
> >The other unfortunate truth is that when promoters book a lot of these
> >"overrated" DJs (and I'm not going to comment on whether or not I think
> >they're actually overrated), people show up... and when they book
> >someone a little more interesting / take risks, they generally don't get
> >a good crowd. I think that's why we see Heather, Mark Farina, and other
> >DJs so much.
> >
> >Bottom line, I think supporting talent you like / respect is the best
> >way to deal with this... think someone's overrated? Well don't f'n go
> >see them play. Think someone's underrated and totally rocks? Go see them
> >play when someone finally books them - and convince all your friends to
> >go too.
> >
> >I try not to think too much about whether someone mixes well or not,
> >whether they've played the same tracks a billion times before, or
> >whatever. All of these things *may* mean that someone sucks - but I
> >think the end result is what counts... is the person making me want to
> >dance? Is the person making everyone else in the room want to dance?
> >That's kind of the point.
> >
> >Lastly, to be honest, I don't see how starting a thread like this ON
> >PURPOSE is really constructive; even though Cade tried to keep it
> >light-hearted, and even made fun of himself a little, I don't really see
> >what talking about all this negative stuff accomplishes - and I'm
> >generally a pretty negative person myself. I think that trashing people
> >who are on this list or who are likely to read it is especially uncool.
> >
> >--
> >"Since when is skepticism un-American?
> >Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
> >(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")
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