[Dynagroove] Re: Utah

[Robert Basch]

Perhaps this thread is going on a bit. Though I took a second to look this up and was thinking about some stuff. 

I don't know if these kids were trying to open their minds or explore anything except a drug induced wonderland where inhibitions don't exist and responsibility is lost with mob behavior. The local authorities may have used excessive force. However from my experience with the rave seen I don't think I would want my 16 year old daughter out on a farm with 2000 other minors (and predatory men) doing ecstasy. I would be appreciative if the police brought her home. I just don't see how a rave compares to a good book or a sober life experience. I do think it is a cool community (the underground) I am a DJ and house music is my life. especially techy acid house which comes from my psychedelic roots. However any mind expanding I did with psychedelics was not at a rave. Mostly everything I learned at raves turned out to be false. I feel bad for the promoters as its not so much there responsibility even though they are responsible. Providing the venue and the music is not the crime. I
  know
 there are many sober people at these parties and they are their for music friends etc. The underground is not this pretty place where we are safe to be free. The underground is a jungle full of deadly animals and the most beautiful flowers, and the question is do you like to safari or not is it worth the risk? Oddly enough I go to parties because I want to escape from everything around me. I get up next to a speaker pull my hat down low and disappear in sound waves. So police raids, violence, drugs, and some sort of sickness are just part of the risk. It is not the government that threatens our scene. It is fairly easy to throw a huge party 2000 plus without getting in trouble. We are the biggest threat to our scene not the "man". Regardless I live for this stuff and instead of going to parties to get coked out and wasted while I feel some girl up I don't know at a speaker AKA expanding my mind, I am going to school to record spend alot of time buying records and plan out th
 e next
 event where I can filter the good aspects from he bad. I am mean I know. 

Robert


P N <phathead at phatnetwork.net> wrote:
I just wanted to say that to continue to call "ravers" dumb or druggies 
is playing same game the government is playing when it comes to your 
civil rights. The idea that somehow 'us' in our 'house' scene are 
'better' than the kids partying in the rest of the country is so 
pretentious that makes me want to puke. What is true is that we live 
in California. One of the most progressive states in the nation with a 
law enforcement that has finally figure out that braking up parties is 
the biggest waist of resources and is not going to be tolerated by the 
community. And that did not happen without first having its 
complications (remember Seventh Heaven NYE '97? or NOCTURNAL '99 - I 
recall lots amount of tear gas at those events, no to mention the many 
other parties that have been broken up here in LA)

On the other hand, states like Utah or Idaho run by ultraconservatives 
that love to take away the civil rights of their citizens in order to 
promote thought control don't want to see their children exploring 
their rights and ways that promote alternative thinking. I personally 
have been to a couple of parties in the area and the kids there are 
just as enthusiastic and loving about music as here in California. In 
ways, they are more passionate because they don't have the option of 
lots of great events every weekend like we do here. So when ever a 
brave promoter tries to unify their scene it is seen as a great effort 
to challenge the status quote. I think as people who understand their 
struggle for freedom of expression should not bash them but try to find 
ways to fight this greedy government that sends in a armed militia to 
beat up their kids.

~Gomes
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