[Dynagroove] Re: Utah

[Becky Dodson]

before the thread gets kilt...

sigh.

the point isnt that you, mr basch, think that the feds have a right to bust
a bunch of predatory flowers, or whatever the shit you're talkin...just cuz
they are gathering to do lascivious acts...

the point is that civil liberties were infringed upon and those are our
responsibility to protect and defend. contrary to your vast expansive
blanket statement, not EVERYONE there was a lechy coked out
whorefeelerupper. there were probably a few dudes with their hats pulled
over their ears 'trippin out' to soundwaves...ya dig?

our society is moving into a dangerously volatile stage...one where our
constitutional rights are dropping fast. laws are being broken to enforce
laws at a rapid rate...sure there will always exist corruption, but this is
the cream of the bucket style corruption and rights infringment.

learn your rights and those of  citizens of your country and protect them
with your life.

rave on.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Basch" <trinitysoundrb at yahoo.com>
To: <dynagroove at dynagroove.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] Re: Utah


> Perhaps this thread is going on a bit. Though I took a second to look this
up and was thinking about some stuff.
>
> I don't know if these kids were trying to open their minds or explore
anything except a drug induced wonderland where inhibitions don't exist and
responsibility is lost with mob behavior. The local authorities may have
used excessive force. However from my experience with the rave seen I don't
think I would want my 16 year old daughter out on a farm with 2000 other
minors (and predatory men) doing ecstasy. I would be appreciative if the
police brought her home. I just don't see how a rave compares to a good book
or a sober life experience. I do think it is a cool community (the
underground) I am a DJ and house music is my life. especially techy acid
house which comes from my psychedelic roots. However any mind expanding I
did with psychedelics was not at a rave. Mostly everything I learned at
raves turned out to be false. I feel bad for the promoters as its not so
much there responsibility even though they are responsible. Providing the
venue and the music is not the crime. I
>   know
>  there are many sober people at these parties and they are their for music
friends etc. The underground is not this pretty place where we are safe to
be free. The underground is a jungle full of deadly animals and the most
beautiful flowers, and the question is do you like to safari or not is it
worth the risk? Oddly enough I go to parties because I want to escape from
everything around me. I get up next to a speaker pull my hat down low and
disappear in sound waves. So police raids, violence, drugs, and some sort of
sickness are just part of the risk. It is not the government that threatens
our scene. It is fairly easy to throw a huge party 2000 plus without getting
in trouble. We are the biggest threat to our scene not the "man". Regardless
I live for this stuff and instead of going to parties to get coked out and
wasted while I feel some girl up I don't know at a speaker AKA expanding my
mind, I am going to school to record spend alot of time buying records and
plan out th
>  e next
>  event where I can filter the good aspects from he bad. I am mean I know.
>
> Robert
>
>
> P N <phathead at phatnetwork.net> wrote:
> I just wanted to say that to continue to call "ravers" dumb or druggies
> is playing same game the government is playing when it comes to your
> civil rights. The idea that somehow 'us' in our 'house' scene are
> 'better' than the kids partying in the rest of the country is so
> pretentious that makes me want to puke. What is true is that we live
> in California. One of the most progressive states in the nation with a
> law enforcement that has finally figure out that braking up parties is
> the biggest waist of resources and is not going to be tolerated by the
> community. And that did not happen without first having its
> complications (remember Seventh Heaven NYE '97? or NOCTURNAL '99 - I
> recall lots amount of tear gas at those events, no to mention the many
> other parties that have been broken up here in LA)
>
> On the other hand, states like Utah or Idaho run by ultraconservatives
> that love to take away the civil rights of their citizens in order to
> promote thought control don't want to see their children exploring
> their rights and ways that promote alternative thinking. I personally
> have been to a couple of parties in the area and the kids there are
> just as enthusiastic and loving about music as here in California. In
> ways, they are more passionate because they don't have the option of
> lots of great events every weekend like we do here. So when ever a
> brave promoter tries to unify their scene it is seen as a great effort
> to challenge the status quote. I think as people who understand their
> struggle for freedom of expression should not bash them but try to find
> ways to fight this greedy government that sends in a armed militia to
> beat up their kids.
>
> ~Gomes
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