[Dynagroove] dynagroove Digest, Vol 31, Issue 9
P N
phathead at phatnetwork.net
Wed Dec 7 14:36:13 PST 2005
Dude, Imad - All I got to say is that you got issues man...
George
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> 1. The Opposition Continues... (P N)
> 2. Re: The sacrificial lamb.. (splaticus at aol.com)
> 3. Re: The Opposition Continues... (BadIYE at aol.com)
> 4. Re: Don?t Give Into The Submission... (Pat SchooLastra)
> 5. Re: The sacrificial lamb.. (aaron monty)
> 6. Hip Hop Clubs in Town! (P N)
> 7. Elephonic with Mark DeClive-Lowe This Thursday Dec. 8th!!
> (Nice Guy Eddie)
> 8. Re: Don?t Give Into The Submission... (Rick)
> 9. Saturday Dec. 17th 2005 Rock on Productions Presents, Rock
> "N" Energy. (Michael Vidales)
> 10. Upcoming VinylTribe Dates.. TribeRadio, PowerTools, $5
> Dollah Funk$ (zackhill at vinyltribe.com)
> 11. New Years Eve L.A. w/ Glenn Underground ( CHICAGO
> )..................... (Rudy Carmona)
> 12. Okay, I'm convinced and here's what I learned (BadIYE at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:40:25 -0500
> From: P N <phathead at phatnetwork.net>
> Subject: [Dynagroove] The Opposition Continues...
> To: <BadIYE at aol.com>
> Cc: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
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> Dear Imad,
>
> First off, why do you keep bringing J-Splat into this! He has not posted one thing about this thread except for the fact that he is not even part of this discussion. That just tells me that you are reading these messages without really reading the context of them and where are they coming from.
>
> As far the thread of emails I have sent (each and every time with my name at the bottom) the conclusion of the double standard is that somehow one genre of music being 'House' can have more of positive meaning than say 'hip hop' at any level is just hateful. If you don't like a certain rapper or hip hop act is fine but to punish the entire genre for it is like saying I think House sucks because I don't like Masters At Work. And as far as Hip Hop and House coming together, it happens all the time. Just look at the new GORILLAZ album. It is clearly a Hip Hop album, yet it has influence from rock, house, & dub all over it! And as far as the 4 rappers that appear on MTV, fuc* 'em!! They don't represent my HIP HOP and never will. And its no struggle to me to go out and find the next Freestlyle Fellowship Crew, or the next Cut Chemist or B+, or MEAR ONE, because when I do find them they will show me why I still believe in Hip Hop as a culture and why guys like Puffy are FA!
KE!
> RS of the game. And the great thing about LA is that you don't have to look hard to find them if you truly open your eyes.
>
> Lastly, I'm sorry you feel that it?s a personal attack on you when I say that your ideas don't make sense but it?s not my fault that they don't. The reasoning for your argument is based on picking and choosing your facts without looking at the entire picture as a whole. In other words is fragmented and baseless. I don't have a problem with you or anyone on this list, just ideas that promote hate. And when you say that Hip Hop and House have nothing in common that is exactly what you are promoting!
>
> Don't Hate, PARTICIPATE!!
>
> GEORGE - AKA GOMES - AKA - THE MUTHAF**R WHO STARTED THIS DISCUSSION AND LOVES IT!!!!!!!!
>
> Long Live The Opposition!!!
> http://www.phatnetwork.net
>
> P.S> Sorry Jason (J-Splat) for being the center of this, but I guess we needed a lamb to sacrifice.
>
> LONG LIVE JASON SPLAT!!!! YEAH!!!!!
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:16:19 -0500
> From: splaticus at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] The sacrificial lamb..
> To: phathead at phatnetwork.net
> Cc: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
> Message-ID: <8C7C8EB5893833C-13A8-14E2 at mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com>
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> haha thanks for the thoughts. George!
>
> Strange, being sacrificed didnt hurt a bit..
> Rap is baaaaahaad! j/k
>
> Its cool to see some signs of life on this e-list.
>
> J Splat
> Addicted Events
> ----
>
> P.S> Sorry Jason (J-Splat) for being the center of this, but I guess we
> needed a
> lamb to sacrifice.
>
> LONG LIVE JASON SPLAT!!!! YEAH!!!!!
> _________________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:19:51 EST
> From: BadIYE at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] The Opposition Continues...
> To: phathead at phatnetwork.net
> Cc: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
> Message-ID: <271.19a1381.30c7a0c7 at aol.com>
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> Dude you're right. for some reason, this entire time I thought Jason was
> the one who started this thread...wow! dunno why i thought that...weird.
> But
> i am reading everything else quite carefully i promise. Sorry Jason...
>
> Now as far as personal attacks, I'm not sure you're quite getting it. I mean
> listen to this direct quote : "Lastly, I'm sorry you feel that it’s a
> personal attack on you when I say that your ideas don't make sense but it’s
> not my
> fault that they don't." hehehehe...i mean that's pretty funny, no? I should
> try that argument in one of my legal briefing to the court sometime: "Hey
> your honor, I'm sorry you take offense that I called you an idiot but it's
> not
> my fault you're an idiot!" I'm sure he'll be convinced that way, no? lol.
>
> In all seriousness, again you failed to explain with any kind of clarity how
> in the heck I'm LIVING a double standard. I mean read this: "the conclusion
> of the double standard is that somehow one genre of music being 'House' can
> have more of positive meaning than say 'hip hop' at any level is just
> hateful." what? i have no clue what that sentence means. It is my personal
> observation that House's MESSAGE (not "meaning" which is essentially personal
> and
> up for interpretation) is a positive one, while Hip Hop's present message is
> not. You disagree with me. Bravo! it doesn't mean i'm living a double
> standard or I'm 'hateful'. It's what i perceive. You believe that Hip Hop
> is
> represented by its obscure elements in the underground which are socially
> conscious and positive and, you claim, compatible with House. Fine. I
> believe
> the loudest message is that of mainstream Hip Hop which drowns out all
> others
> and is in direct contradiction with House. Fine. It's a disagreement in
> opinion. period. Ain't no double standard. Ain't no hatefulness. Can we
> now
> give the personal attacks a rest? thanks.
>
> Imad
> housesaladla.com
> the GOOD life
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/6/2005 5:40:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> phathead at phatnetwork.net writes:
>
> Dear Imad,
>
> First off, why do you keep bringing J-Splat into this! He has not posted
> one thing about this thread except for the fact that he is not even part of
> this discussion. That just tells me that you are reading these messages
> without
> really reading the context of them and where are they coming from.
>
> As far the thread of emails I have sent (each and every time with my name at
> the bottom) the conclusion of the double standard is that somehow one genre
> of music being 'House' can have more of positive meaning than say 'hip hop'
> at any level is just hateful. If you don't like a certain rapper or hip hop
> act is fine but to punish the entire genre for it is like saying I think
> House
> sucks because I don't like Masters At Work. And as far as Hip Hop and House
> coming together, it happens all the time. Just look at the new GORILLAZ
> album. It is clearly a Hip Hop album, yet it has influence from rock, house,
> &
> dub all over it! And as far as the 4 rappers that appear on MTV, fuc* 'em!!
> They don't represent my HIP HOP and never will. And its no struggle to me to
> go out and find the next Freestlyle Fellowship Crew, or the next Cut Chemist
> or B+, or MEAR ONE, because when I do find them they will show me why I
> still believe in Hip Hop as a culture and why guys like Puffy are FAKERS of
> the
> game. And the great thing about LA is that you don't have to look hard to
> find them if you truly open your eyes.
>
> Lastly, I'm sorry you feel that it’s a personal attack on you when I say
> that your ideas don't make sense but it’s not my fault that they don't.
> The
> reasoning for your argument is based on picking and choosing your facts
> without
> looking at the entire picture as a whole. In other words is fragmented and
> baseless. I don't have a problem with you or anyone on this list, just ideas
> that promote hate. And when you say that Hip Hop and House have nothing in
> common that is exactly what you are promoting!
>
> Don't Hate, PARTICIPATE!!
>
> GEORGE - AKA GOMES - AKA - THE MUTHAF**R WHO STARTED THIS DISCUSSION AND
> LOVES IT!!!!!!!!
>
> Long Live The Opposition!!!
> http://www.phatnetwork.net
>
> P.S> Sorry Jason (J-Splat) for being the center of this, but I guess we
> needed a lamb to sacrifice.
>
> LONG LIVE JASON SPLAT!!!! YEAH!!!!!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:42:40 -0800
> From: "Pat SchooLastra" <pat at godskitchen.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] Don?t Give Into The Submission...
> To: "'P N'" <phathead at phatnetwork.net>, <BadIYE at aol.com>
> Cc: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
> Message-ID: <000501c5fad7$e58fdb10$6601a8c0 at godskitcit2r8a>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I am not really sure at this point what the original intention of this
> thread was, but I thought I would chime in and try and keep my opinion
> on Hip-Hop, House and their general perceptions, simple (long-winded?
> Sure :-)...
>
> Every time I have worked at ANY show with Hip-Hop Music involved, we
> were REQUIRED BY LAW to provide twice the security and there are/were
> ALWAYS fights. Always fights within the same groups (ethnic) and usually
> over nothing (like a guy looking at another guys girl, looking at each
> other and one thinks that the other 'wants' something or someone jumping
> ahead of another at the bar or bathroom, etc). Its like dealing with a
> bunch of children in adult bodies. Fighting over things that as an
> adult, I just find plain silly. The music simply perpetuates this and I
> have not seen anything like it in ANY other form of music show I have
> dealt with. It's the same no matter what ethnic group dominates the
> club, the level of education or the amount of money the crowd earns.
> This goes for not only SoCal, but scenes I have seen play out in Las
> Vegas, San Francisco, Miami, Atlantic City, Dallas, Philadelphia and on
> an on...
>
> Now then, I have done both cheesy Trance (with PVD & others) and
> straight-up House shows a-plenty. Those don't require anything outside
> of the normal amount of security (standard for any show at any venue)
> and those shows RARELY have fights. Violence and negativity just do not
> go hand-in-hand with Dance Music. When fights do happen, its usually
> from someone completely out of the scene and usually its their first
> time at a club like that....'fish outta water' syndrome.
>
> I have seen some REALLY violent and negative things at other shows
> including punk, rock, rap-metal, indie rock and even reggae, but nothing
> as consistent and predictable as hip-hop shows. Even Board-Sport shows
> and conventions where everyone is hyped on adrenaline and ready to
> burst, little or no problems occur.
>
> Another predictable thing, If I am driving by or next to a car and
> someone is bumping dance music (whatever genre) they are usually smiling
> and grooving to it. If I make eye contact, there is usually a smile back
> and sometime a holler and some hands dancing around (sometime me,
> sometimes them). If it's a car playing hip-hop, its always the same
> thing....someone trying to look hard with a scowl on their face and they
> seem to be antagonizing those around them into some kind of
> confrontation. If you can't agree on this point then I would just delete
> this email now and move on.
>
> Hip-Hop used to be about good times and such (Run-DMC, Biz Markie,
> Beastie Boys, De La Soul, BDP, etc) but that time is long gone. Going to
> hip-hop shows when they called it 'rap' was a fun and enjoyable
> experience. I truly miss those times even more than the early warehouse
> days of my clubbing experience. But gangsta-rap and what followed has
> certainly put a stop to those fun times. You should see the amount of
> weapons confiscated at these shows. It would blow your mind. Or the
> conversations with Law Enforcement as someone is being arrested. People
> come to these shows specifically to get into fights. That is pure and
> simple a negative act. It's a total headache and I have made a conscious
> decision NOT to work at Hip-Hop related shows because of it.
>
> As for the comment about underground vs. commercial, there is no
> difference. Just because you are aware of some artist that 3% of the
> population knows about and that's what you call 'underground' or 'roots'
> or whatever, its not what the general perception is. The artists selling
> records are the ones who own that genre and define it. Numbers don't lie
> and the more you confuse the issue by saying their not the 'true'
> artists, the more your complaints and/or comments fall on deaf ears.
> 'Wake-up call to White America'????....who do you think is buying the
> music? Hip-Hop is no longer a genre that comes from the streets and is
> made for the streets...its about as 'White America" as you can get.
>
> I would love to see some positive things come out of the hip-hop culture
> and for people to thrive on the good instead of the bad. At this point
> however, I would be lying to myself and those reading this if I said
> that it is perceived as a positive culture.
>
> It is what it is.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pat
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dynagroove-bounces at dynagroove.com
> [mailto:dynagroove-bounces at dynagroove.com] On Behalf Of P N
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 3:21 PM
> To: BadIYE at aol.com
> Cc: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
> Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] Don?t Give Into The Submission...
>
>
> Oah!! I'm sorry, but that was the most narrow view of both Hip Hop and
> House I have ever heard!
>
> Frist off, the word Hip Hop is not just rappers on a bling, bling stage.
> Its, graf artists, its breakdancers, its DJs, and MCs. Breakdancers
> took the dancefloor to scape the violence of the ghetto. Graf artists
> have envolved from simple taggers to world known artists that constantly
> create work that critizes the status quo. DJ battles were created to
> demostrate the skills of kids which the world said had no future because
> they grew up in fuck up neighborhoods. MCs (including today) are still
> rapping about the injustes that go on in urban america. To think that
> the reason gangs shoot and kill each other is because 50 Cent raps about
> it is just stupid and ignorant. People die in the ghetto because the
> situation there is like a war zone. No good jobs, no good role models,
> no healthcare, no justice from the Police, etc. MCs are only rapping
> about the stuff that goes on in neighborhoods all over the US everyday.
> If anything is meant as a wake up call to middle WHITE Ame! rica that
> just cause you feel like ignoring the problem of porvety does not mean
> that is not happening. Hip Hop is a wake up call that says 'there is a
> storm coming.' The problem is that Corporate America saw the how they
> can profit from the medium, so they exploit it to the point where it
> looses its true meaning.
>
> That does that mean that Hip Hop is dead? OF course not, is just back
> where is began, in The Underground brewing strength to make its return.
> Just like House did! House is nothing new. But it did have its falling
> days when 'getting fucked up' meant more than unity on the dancefloor.
> In fact, I would argue that House today still has a long way to go if
> its going to make a full return to the glory of its really days. Now a
> days whether is a club or a warehouse people do not dance in the energy
> and unity that they did back during the late 80s and early 90s.
>
> I go to parties no a days and see a bunch of snoby kids that are only
> there people its 'the party to go to' that week. The worst are does
> people which you know you have clearly seen at several parties before
> but they insist in ignoring you like if they have never seen you before.
> How is that unity? How is that better than telling it how it really is?
> It seems IMAD that you are trying to live life in a double standard
> which does not play in the real world. Just my 2 cents.
>
>
> George G.
> Go to the website for a quick adrenaline mix posted today:
> http://www.phatnetwork.net/gomes
>
>
> >
> > From: BadIYE at aol.com
> > Date: 2005/12/06 Tue PM 05:32:01 EST
> > To: aaron at tohzt.com
> > CC: djivluv05 at yahoo.com, phathead at phatnetwork.net,
> > dynagroove at dynagroove.com
> > Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] Don?t Give Into The Submission...
> >
> >
> > thanks for your input Aaron. Here are my quick responses:
> >
> > 1. While those of us with strong will personality can get theirs
> > outside of
> > the mainstream, and be better off in doing so, one can't truly
> dispute the
> > undue influence the younger generation sustains at the hand of
> mainstream
> > media powerhouses. It is literally a technologically advanced, media
> researched,
> > gigantic peer pressure factory. Very tough to ignore and/or reject
> for most
> > 17 year olds. Oddly, and thankfully, it is on the internet that most
> youths
> > have found alternatives...
> >
> > 2. Pointing out debatable exceptions in Hip Hop only reinforces the
> > rule.
> > Hip Hop's main message is a dubiously negative one, at best. Get
> yours,
> > Bling Bling, Get all the hoes and bitches and make it big (sell crack
> if you have
> > to). It doesn't seek common ground, it seeks to celebrate
> differences (East
> > Coast, West Coast - Mine, Yours - even cities [The LBC - Compton] are
> a
> > source of pride and antagonism - like bedouin tribes during the dark
> ages.
> > utterly ridiculous]
> >
> > 3. For argument sake, let's assume that the Leading message for the
> house
> > music scene is that of the cheeziest DJs and producers such as Paul
> > Van Dyk
> > and company. Even at THAT level of fromage, It REMAINS 100% more
> positive
> > than that of the Hip Hop message. Unless I've missed something, the
> "Van Dyk"
> > message is still "come out and dance and celebrate each others
> humanity, and
> > forget your differences, on the floor". Right? so the mainstream
> sees a bunch
> > of e-tars doing silly light shows....In part, they are right, but who
> cares?
> > The same mainstream saw Woodstock as a haven for acid drippin'
> hippies who
> > were simply there to have dirty sex in the mud...which 60's movement
> had the
> > most positive impact in the end on our social fabric? the
> conservative
> > military one that wanted us to stay in Vietnam forever? No. It was
> the culture
> > of love.
> >
> > In the case of the dance/club scene and its reputation for drug taking
> > excesses, if the leading message is seen as "Take Drugs" than this is
> mostly a
> > perception issue by people outside of a culture they fear and who are
> defensive
> > about their own membership in the mainstream.
> >
> > On the other hand, the Hip Hop Leading Message is not a perception
> > thing at
> > all. The THUG LIFE is actually CELEBRATED in bold print by Hip Hop's
> most
> > successful (again, 50 Cents and his ilk)...so the comparison is
> completely
> > appropriate and Hip Hop loses hands down.
> >
> > At worst, members of the "dance/club scene" are seen as vaccuous party
> > animals who take E, put on light shows and feel each other up without
> any
> > violence. That's better than vaccuous young people who do crack,
> shoot each other up
> > for territory/money/bitches-hoes/"respect". When's the last time you
> heard
> > of gang banging at a Van Dyk party? 50 Cents and Eminem's MOVIES
> (fucking
> > movies!) both were the scene for numerous shootings ....again,
> utterly
> > ridiculous.
> >
> > The difference is so night and day. Hip Hop is currently
> > dysfunctional and
> > absolutely corrosive. The more people continue to deny that there is
> a
> > problem in that genre of music, in the name of being "fair", the
> longer we all
> > have to suffer its negative effects on basic rules of societal
> decency. I mean
> > think about it: Allen Iverson (a product of Hip Hop culture if ever
> there
> > was one) went after his ex-wife brandishing a gun! This is normal
> behavior?
> > well in the hip hop world, actually, it is!!
> >
> > I don't recall ever hearing that Farina's people were calling for the
> > head
> > of DJ Sneak for "dissing" him. Or maybe that Van Dyk (East Germany)
> took
> > shots at Timo Maas (West Germany) over who is the best Trance DJ in
> their
> > country? Nah...never happens, and will never happen....
> >
> > my 2 cents once again. Thanks for engaging Aaron.
> >
> > Imad
> >
> > In a message dated 12/6/2005 10:30:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> > aaron at tohzt.com writes:
> >
> >
> > in response to: badiye at aol.com<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> >
> > There are other sources out there other than the mainstream. What we
>
> > eat from the mainstream is usually force or blindly fed to us, but you
>
> > can always choose to get your nourishment from the family owned taco
> > stand or burger hut down the street instead of from the big
> chain......and you can
> > even look cute wearing one of those cute little Anarchy t-shirts. No
> > harsh chemicals, no msg, won't give you diarrhea (of the mouth, mind,
>
> > whatever).
> >
> > > 4. House is about universal love, respect and understanding and
> > > the message
> > > is conveyed through dance. That's it. In that very simple
> approach its
> > > message manages to be all encompassing: Political, Social,
> > > Revolutionary, anti-establishment, individualistic, participatory,
> > > respectfull, socially conscious and above all positive. None of
> > > this is achieved by any of Hip Hop's protagonists.
> > >
> >
> > Um....what about protagonists like Moka Only, Ostrich Head, Digable
> > Planets, or even the debatable Kanye West. These artists as well as
> many
> > others in the hip hop community seem to be boasting and jamming on
> > something other than bling and bitches. I agree that house can say
> > it without saying it, but not everyone flows on that tip. Some
> > people need to hear the words and say them out loud themselves.
> >
> > > 5. If the cream of the crop of Hip Hop is the stuff you see on TV,
> then
> > > THAT's Hip Hop's leading message. Period. Like it or not Hip Hop
> is
> > > currently associated with the wonderful social messages of 50 cents
> and
> > > common. Why must the rest of us work so hard to dig deeper to
> find the
> > > so-called TRUE hip hop message. This is perverse logic. YOU
> > > change your LEAD message and maybe then we'll change our minds, not
>
> > > the other way around.
> >
> >
> > The truth is that when most people think of dance music culture,
> > raves, house parties, whatever you want to call it, they think of
> > fucked up kids and glowing things. We all know that's not all it's
> > about, but I would argue that it is OUR LEADING MESSAGE in today's
> > culture. If you want to dig down into the "house" genre of
> > electronic music, you will find our underground heroes, but still
> > fizzing at the top are your Paul Van Dyks, Felix the Housecats, and
> > (gag) Ferry Corstens. I think this point (5) is unfair and victim to
>
> > the same flawed logic that you point out.
> >
> > The lead message will probably always be modified, changed, dilluted,
>
> > and misinterpreted. I think it's about focusing on what the true
> > message is and never backing down from it, even if you meet
> > opposition.
> >
> >
> > Finally, some discussion!
> >
> > <3
> >
> > A-ron
> >
> > http://www.boomboomrecordings.com/audio/dave_rape_cant_stop_me_now.mp3
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:12:45 -0800
> From: "aaron monty" <aaron at tohzt.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] The sacrificial lamb..
> To: <splaticus at aol.com>, <phathead at phatnetwork.net>
> Cc: dynagroove at dynagroove.com, BadIYE at aol.com
> Message-ID: <004d01c5fadc$193e0050$4001a8c0 at AARON>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> ....and now for the soundtrack
>
> 1)married men- i've got ho's
> 2)the girth- don't wanna see
> 3)fatboy slim- star 69 x press 2 mix
> 4)jessie garcia- everybody let's hip hop
> 5)freaks- blam the new jam ext disco 12"
> 6)think twice- back to basics
> 7)jake childs- Goin' Down (Jakes Dirty Hoe dub)
> 8)djulz- hip house
> 9)bobby peru- for my bleeps
> 10)3b and the brotha d- rock the house (underground mix)
> 11)angel moraes- music is your life (Just Keep On Dancin) (15 south remix)
>
>
> Thanks and good night.
>
> djs get to work.
>
> <3
>
> A
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <splaticus at aol.com>
> To: <phathead at phatnetwork.net>
> Cc: <dynagroove at dynagroove.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 6:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] The sacrificial lamb..
>
>
> > haha thanks for the thoughts. George!
> >
> > Strange, being sacrificed didnt hurt a bit..
> > Rap is baaaaahaad! j/k
> >
> > Its cool to see some signs of life on this e-list.
> >
> > J Splat
> > Addicted Events
> > ----
> >
> > P.S> Sorry Jason (J-Splat) for being the center of this, but I guess we
> > needed a
> > lamb to sacrifice.
> >
> > LONG LIVE JASON SPLAT!!!! YEAH!!!!!
> > _________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:37:04 -0800
> From: P N <phathead at phatnetwork.net>
> Subject: [Dynagroove] Hip Hop Clubs in Town!
> To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
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> A Small List of Hip Hop Clubs/Events that rock my world:
>
> 1. chocolate bar at Gabah on Saturdays - little to no security & I
> never seen a fight.
> 2. Poets of the Round Table with PHIL HARMONIC & MiKE THE POET Along
> with MEAR ONE doing LIVE ART!!- Monthly events - no security, DJs, Graf
> Artists, and MCs battle and share their vaules on Hip Hop. Never bad
> vibes!! - Usually at Zen Sushi in Silver Lake. Call them for info.
> 3. Greenway Theatre on Tuesdays Nights - Spoken Word, MCs battle it out
> - No Security - All Ages, The best spoken word in town!!! See a 16 year
> old tear up the mic like no other.
> 4. Little Temple - Best underground Hip Hop/Dub/Reggae - Minimum
> security like any other club. Good Vibes all around. Check it out
> their web site for dates.
> 5. AFRO FUNKE' : AFROBOOGIE RITUAL thrusday nights at ZANZIBAR - Best
> of the best hip hop acts in the country from Cut Chemist to Feta Kuti -
> Minimum security and the best vibes in town.
>
> The valley has a cool club on wed nights but I forget the name. Good
> vibes no cover, no security. Email me if you want the info and I'll
> try to get it for you. Also talk to THEORY. I think he knows who does
> the club.
>
>
> all these clubs are run by people who are dedicated to the evolution of
> Hip Hop.
>
> BAD MOMENTS AT HOUSE PARTIES/CLUBS
>
> p.s - I remember being at a rave once and saw a guy past out on the
> floor clearly ODing. People were dancing around him like he was a dead
> horse. I went up to him helped him up and got him to a clear zone. I
> asked him if he needed help and he said he just needed time for the E
> to past his system. Another time I saw a guy so fucked up on ACID that
> he froze in front of the bathroom mirror and was clearly having a
> mental breakdown. 2 people have died at desert parties in the past 5
> years. 4 kids drove of the road coming back from Santa's Village and
> died (they had been up all night on drugs). One time a guy out of no
> where hit me on the face while I was standing next to my girlfriend
> doing nothing. Security came and threw me in the ground and kicked me
> out the party for no reason. 2 Nocturnal Wonderland parties have seen
> tear gas dispur mass of people in the parking lot with cops hitting
> party goers with their night sticks. 2 Words - Seventh Heaven - NYE
> 97' - Riot Police, Buses overturn, fires being set on the street,
> bottles flying at cops from the parking garage and my brother got shot
> with a rubber bullet and still has the scar. And my favorite, in '99
> at a rave in Palms Springs a speaker fell on top of the girl sending
> her to the emergency room badly hurt. But the scariest moment at a
> rave for me had to be when a guy somehow took a gun into the party and
> began to start shit with another partygoer, next thing I know the
> lights go on, shots are fired and people start running everywhere.
> Somehow me and all my friends made it out fine. Unlike the time when I
> was leaving a party in San Bernardino and as I was driving off a girl
> ran to my door, got inside, and told me that her male friend was being
> robbed at gun point. I drove her to a cop that was parked a couple of
> blocks away and took off.
>
> Countless of females have claimed rape at Burning Man. The number of
> individuals with psychological turmoil for being on drugs for days
> continues to go unreported.
>
> Just a few moments while trying to feel UNITY through HOUSE music.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:38:45 -0800
> From: Nice Guy Eddie <dynalist at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Dynagroove] Elephonic with Mark DeClive-Lowe This Thursday
> Dec. 8th!!
> To: Dynagroove <dynagroove at dynagroove.com>
> Message-ID:
> <a50a8c170512061938w68be3d96tfc107a000e5cba5e at mail.gmail.com>
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> Hey Dynagroovers...
>
> Some of you have emailed me privately asking about my band... here is a
> great opportunity to check us out- not to mention the headliner- Mark
> DeClive-Lowe is BADASS!!!
>
> WE GO ON AT 10:30pm!!! Doors open at 9pm...
>
> Thursday, December 8th
>
> 9pm
> 21+
> info/tickets:
> fusicology.com/dec8
>
> Presented by PUMA
>
> Mark de Clive-Lowe
>
> Live with special guests
> Bembé Segué
>
> Elephonic
> Gatth Trinidad
> DJ Valida
>
> King King
> 6555 Hollywood Blvd.
>
>
> Mark de Clive-Lowe: Multi-Intrumentalist, Artist, Producer and shining
> star of the West London Music scene. Brings the beats and basslines
> LIVE to Los Angeles! Along with near-constant co-star and voice
> magnifique, Bembé Segué, Mark brings his TIDE'S ARISING live show to
> LA for the very first time.
>
> With literally hundreds of releases and remixes to his credit, Mark de
> Clive-Lowe has also been getting busy for years. Collaborations
> include 4hero, Jill Scott, Bugz in the Attic, and Jamiroquai among
> many others. All have received the MdCL flavor.
>
> Joined by Chocolate City Host, Garth Trinidad, DJ Valida and a special
> live performance by Elephonic.
>
> markdeclivelowe.net
> elephonic.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:05:21 -0800
> From: Rick <nycjunglex at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] Don?t Give Into The Submission...
> To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
> Message-ID: <439697C1.9090704 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii
>
> I normally wouldnt say anything, given that your arguments smack of
> xenophobia and thickly-veiled racial paranoia ("STOP THE PRESSES!!,
> Allan Iverson listens to hip-hop AND he attacked his own wife?!?! Those
> things must be related. Inform every police department in the country,
> they can assume that all hip-hop listeners are also wife beaters.
> Because, of course, people that don't listen to hip-hop never attack
> their own wives." ) and i dont respond to people like this, given that I
> consider a discussion with them not one that's really worth having. But
> i just wanted to point something out....
>
> You're suffering from a major case of not seeing the forest for the trees.
>
> There's a reason that the majority of Hip Hop (or wait, I mean, the
> "bedouin-tribe" music, as you so eloquently decided to indirectly
> describe it) contains elements and references to violence, drugs, sex,
> money, etc. That's what is being bought by the American public, in
> numbers astronomically higher than those of purchases for hip-hop that
> might be a bit more cerebral. If it werent making vast sums of money, it
> wouldnt be the majority of what you hear and see. So if you have a
> problem with the current state of Hip Hop, you need to look at the
> sociology behind a culture (the American culture, not hip-hop culture)
> that celebrates and glamorizes those things, not the music that is
> simply responding to a market for it.
>
> The same idea/phenomenon can be seen in the continuous issue of Summer
> blockbuster movies vs. movies with more substance to them. People
> complain that they're tired of seeing crappy movies that don't mean
> anything, but yet, those same movies gross almost 1000% more than their
> more cerebral counterparts. So of course, living in a free capitalist
> market, those movies are going to continue to be made.
>
> Finally, this can also be seen in and extended to our neverending drug
> war. The problem is not that the drugs (or, violent, druggy, sexist Hip
> Hop) exist. The problem is that Americans want the drugs and have shown
> that they will pay exorbitant amounts of money to get them. So the drugs
> will continue to flow in bigger and bigger amounts. Until that American
> desire for pharmaceuticals is changed, the drugs will be present. As the
> 80's have shown us, making kneejerk "the sky is falling", statements do
> not work, and only make the person saying them look ridiculous (ie.
> "This is your brain. This is your brain on Hip-Hop. Any questions?",
> which is pretty much akin to most of the stuff youve already said) as
> they do not attack the actual problem.
>
> -- Rick (I'm going to put on some Notorious B.I.G, and then go sell
> crack in the street. Cause I'm just a hip-hop listener and apparently, I
> dont know no better.)
>
> dynagroove-request at dynagroove.com wrote on 12/6/2005, 6:03 PM:
>
> > thanks for your input Aaron. Here are my quick responses:
> >
> > 1. While those of us with strong will personality can get theirs
> > outside of
> > the mainstream, and be better off in doing so, one can't truly
> > dispute the
> > undue influence the younger generation sustains at the hand of
> > mainstream
> > media powerhouses. It is literally a technologically advanced, media
> > researched,
> > gigantic peer pressure factory. Very tough to ignore and/or reject
> > for most
> > 17 year olds. Oddly, and thankfully, it is on the internet that most
> > youths
> > have found alternatives...
> >
> > 2. Pointing out debatable exceptions in Hip Hop only reinforces the
> > rule.
> > Hip Hop's main message is a dubiously negative one, at best. Get yours,
> > Bling Bling, Get all the hoes and bitches and make it big (sell crack
> > if you have
> > to). It doesn't seek common ground, it seeks to celebrate
> > differences (East
> > Coast, West Coast - Mine, Yours - even cities [The LBC - Compton] are a
> > source of pride and antagonism - like bedouin tribes during the dark
> > ages.
> > utterly ridiculous]
> >
> > 3. For argument sake, let's assume that the Leading message for the
> > house
> > music scene is that of the cheeziest DJs and producers such as Paul
> > Van Dyk
> > and company. Even at THAT level of fromage, It REMAINS 100% more
> > positive
> > than that of the Hip Hop message. Unless I've missed something, the
> > "Van Dyk"
> > message is still "come out and dance and celebrate each others
> > humanity, and
> > forget your differences, on the floor". Right? so the mainstream
> > sees a bunch
> > of e-tars doing silly light shows....In part, they are right, but who
> > cares?
> > The same mainstream saw Woodstock as a haven for acid drippin'
> > hippies who
> > were simply there to have dirty sex in the mud...which 60's movement
> > had the
> > most positive impact in the end on our social fabric? the conservative
> > military one that wanted us to stay in Vietnam forever? No. It was
> > the culture
> > of love.
> >
> > In the case of the dance/club scene and its reputation for drug taking
> > excesses, if the leading message is seen as "Take Drugs" than this is
> > mostly a
> > perception issue by people outside of a culture they fear and who are
> > defensive
> > about their own membership in the mainstream.
> >
> > On the other hand, the Hip Hop Leading Message is not a perception
> > thing at
> > all. The THUG LIFE is actually CELEBRATED in bold print by Hip Hop's
> > most
> > successful (again, 50 Cents and his ilk)...so the comparison is
> > completely
> > appropriate and Hip Hop loses hands down.
> >
> > At worst, members of the "dance/club scene" are seen as vaccuous party
> > animals who take E, put on light shows and feel each other up without
> > any
> > violence. That's better than vaccuous young people who do crack,
> > shoot each other up
> > for territory/money/bitches-hoes/"respect". When's the last time you
> > heard
> > of gang banging at a Van Dyk party? 50 Cents and Eminem's MOVIES
> > (fucking
> > movies!) both were the scene for numerous shootings ....again, utterly
> > ridiculous.
> >
> > The difference is so night and day. Hip Hop is currently
> > dysfunctional and
> > absolutely corrosive. The more people continue to deny that there is a
> > problem in that genre of music, in the name of being "fair", the
> > longer we all
> > have to suffer its negative effects on basic rules of societal
> > decency. I mean
> > think about it: Allen Iverson (a product of Hip Hop culture if ever
> > there
> > was one) went after his ex-wife brandishing a gun! This is normal
> > behavior?
> > well in the hip hop world, actually, it is!!
> >
> > I don't recall ever hearing that Farina's people were calling for the
> > head
> > of DJ Sneak for "dissing" him. Or maybe that Van Dyk (East Germany)
> > took
> > shots at Timo Maas (West Germany) over who is the best Trance DJ in
> > their
> > country? Nah...never happens, and will never happen....
> >
> > my 2 cents once again. Thanks for engaging Aaron.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:21:11 -0800 (PST)
> From: Michael Vidales <fastfido at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [Dynagroove] Saturday Dec. 17th 2005 Rock on Productions
> Presents, Rock "N" Energy.
> To: "dynagroove at dynagroove.com" <dynagroove at dynagroove.com>
> Message-ID: <20051207142111.37208.qmail at web81603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
>
>
> There is nothing better than the music in your soul.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:53:20 -0800 (PST)
> From: zackhill at vinyltribe.com
> Subject: [Dynagroove] Upcoming VinylTribe Dates.. TribeRadio,
> PowerTools, $5 Dollah Funk$
> To: vinyltribe-list at vinyltribe.com
> Cc: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
> Message-ID:
> <57193.67.134.137.3.1133978000.squirrel at secure.vinyltribe.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Happy Holidays from the VinylTribe! We wanted to take a moment to catch up
> on what we've got planned for the last few weeks of 2005. We hope everyone
> is having a safe and healthy holiday season and we can't wait to close out
> the year with a bang!!!
>
>
> This Thursday on (((TribeRadio))) be sure to tune in for our guest DJ's
> Paul Paredes and Scott Pace a.k.a. Honest Cars. These two are responsible
> for a number of rockin' tracks under thier aliases Midas and Lavish
> Habits. Now the duo is back and ready to unleash more mayhem as Honest
> Cars!! Kicking off the show will be our resident DJ Emi. (((TribeRadio)))
> airs Thursday nights from 7pm-10pm PST at http://www.vinyltribe.com
>
>
> Also this Saturday night/Sunday Morning from 2am-4am, tune into Power106
> as Zack Hill will be stopping by PowerTools to talk about our upcoming $5
> Dollah Funk$ event as well as give away a pair of tickets to the event!
> Zack will also be playing a mix to celebrate his 5th appearance on the
> legendary show!
>
>
> Finally, next Saturday December 17th, we invite you to join us once again
> as the legendary $5 Dollah Funk$ returns for our final event of 2005.
> We've put together quite a show to close out the year including the return
> of our favorite guest, JOPLIN!! Joplin will be joining Zack, Steven, and
> Emi in what promises to be a night not to forget. If you've been to any of
> the $5 Dollah Funk$ events in the past, you know what to expect!! If
> you've never been, this is your chance to experience what everyone has
> been talking about...
>
> $5 Dollah Funk$ - Saturday December 17th 2005
> Makin' ya bounce: Zack Hill, Steven Dimitri, DJ Emi along with JOPLIN!! $5
> before 11pm, $10 after, 18 and older, 21 to drink
> 310.217.7584 for directions and info // www.vinyltribe.com
>
>
> Plus, keep your eyes and ears open for one last surprise appearance in
> 2005 from the VT crew at one of our favorite spots in CA.... More info TBA
> very shortly!!
>
>
> Thank you from the entire VinylTribe crew for making 2005 such a great
> year!! We've got loads of surprises in the works for the new year, stay
> tuned!!!
>
>
> -VinylTribe
> www.vinyltribe.com - Join the mailing list to stay up to date!!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:54:56 -0800 (PST)
> From: Rudy Carmona <forthosewhoknow_la at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Dynagroove] New Years Eve L.A. w/ Glenn Underground (
> CHICAGO ).....................
> To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
> Message-ID: <20051207185456.96459.qmail at web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> SAT. DEC. 31ST
> NEW YEARS EVE
>
> FOR THOSE WHO KNOW...
>
> FEAT.
> THE RETURN OF
>
> DJ / PRODUCER
> GLENN UNDERGROUND
> ( URBAN HEIRS, SHELTER, VEGA, KENLOU, CHICAGO )
>
> ALONG W/
> SPECIAL GUEST
> DJ / PRODUCER
> GENE HUNT ( GOTSOUL RECORDS, CHICAGO )
>
> SPECIAL OPENING SET BY
> CRAIG BOYD ( CREAMUSA, L.A. )
>
> LAMECH ( UNDER MY SKIN REC., MOCHICO REC., L.A. )
>
> RUDY C. ( FOR THOSE WHO KNOW..., L.A )
>
> CLOSING SET BY
> ROBERT JOUSE ( FOR THOSE WHO KNOW..., L.A. )
>
> 10PM - 8AM
> 21 AND OVER
> THIS IS A UNDERGOUND DEEP HOUSE EVENT
> FEATURING ON OF THE MOST PROLIFIC AND RESPECTED HOUSE MUSIC PRODUCERS /
> DJ'S GLENN UNDERGROUND
> PLEASE JOIN FOR THOSE WHO KNOW... AS WE WELCOME A RARE APPEARANCE FROM
> ON OF CHICAGOS HOUSE ICONS
> 10pm - 8am
> 21 AND OVER
> FULL BAR SERVIN ALL NIGHT
> $20 ALL NIGHT LONG
> LOCATED @ SOULFOLKS ART WAREHOUSE
> 613 IMPERIAL ST., DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES 90021
> FOR THOSE WHO KNOW...PRODUCTIONS
> LOS ANGELES
> SOULFUL - HOUSE - MOVEMENT
>
> WWW.URBANHEIRS.COM
> WWW.FORTHOSEWHOKNOWLA.COM
> WWW.UNIVERSAL-RYTHM.COM
> WWW.UNDERMYSKINRECORDS.COM
> WWW.GOTSOULRECORDS.COM
>
> ***GLENN UNDERGROUND BIO***
>
> Glenn Underground comes from a family of musicians dating all the way back into the early 1970's, from his stepfather to his cousin, to his uncle's so his musical knowledge exceeds him.
>
> Since 1984 G.U. has been playing & supporting house music in Chicago & has been producing his own brand of House(& Dance music) since about 86-87 until now and so on. Glenn has moved the world with some of deepest house grooves. From his thoughts to sound to the people who not only dance to it, but also listen & pay attention to it.
>
> In his world travels G.U. has rocked his sound in the U.S./Europe/Japan/Canada clubs include: Sanky's Soap,Manchester-The Hub Club,Bristol, and in Ireland a club he likes to call the Cork,-Gas Works,Hamberg,Germany-The Big Bop,Toronto-Space Lab Yellow,Tokyo-Club Joule,Osaka and a host of other clubs all over Japan. Oh yeah cant' forget Embryus in Toronto,etc. In his U.S. travels from Chicago & so on clubs include: Smart Bar,Chicago-The Infamous Warehouse,Chicago-Red No.5.Chicago-Karma,Chicago along with Leroy Burgess & Patrick Adams-The Origianl Shelter,Chicago,and a host of other clubs in Chicago. G.U. has moved a host of clubs in New York City,New Jersy, as well as Detroit, Dallas, and L.A.
>
> ***GENE HUNT BIO***
>
> When one looks back into the history of Chicago House Music, one man's name seems to pop up in many scenarios. That man is none other than Gene Hunt, a legend to those who know where House Music has come from, and an innovator to those who are new to his sound. His landmark track, "Living in a Land" is considered by many to be one of the best Chicago Acid House tracks. Gene about the track: "It was just another night in Chicago. I was at the house hangin' with Robert Owens and I decided it was time to hit the studio. I grabbed my 909 and we headed over to Armando's place to borrow his 707 and 303. Armando had left his 303 at Adonis' place so he jumped in the car with us over there. Adonis wanted to come with, so he grabbed the 303 and the four of us drove out to the suburbs to record in Mark Imperial's studio. A few hours later 'Living' was done!" Another seminal Acid House track was "Acid Trax" by Phuture (DJ Pierre & Spanky). When Gene was doing a residency at Photon, Pi!
err
> e &
> Spanky swung by and asked him to come mix this track they just laid down. An original demo version is said to have clocked in at almost sixty minutes long and Gene's edit is the only one that made it to vinyl. The rest is Chicago House history. With tunes out on Trax, High Octane, Housetime, Nite Life Collective, and Contaminated in America, as well as gracing European labels such as Hybrid, Djax, Loop, Svek, Trainspotters Nightmare, Nepenta, Pro-jex, Step 2 House, and Primate with several seminal releases. This man is truly an innovator and continues to pave the way for Chicago and the rest of the world's music to come
>
>
>
> For Those Who Know...Productions
> Pushing forward GARAGE & SOULFULL HOUSE
>
> ---------------------------------
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:42:12 EST
> From: BadIYE at aol.com
> Subject: [Dynagroove] Okay, I'm convinced and here's what I learned
> To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
> Message-ID: <1f1.48bb3c97.30c89514 at aol.com>
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>
> Hip Hop is the bestest most nicest kind of music and gives the most flowerly
> message of love. Wow, i was such a xenophobe and racist before for thinking
> that 50 Cents and his ilk glorified violence, made thug life iconic, and
> failed to have any uplifting messages other than "get rich or die trying".
>
> I'm really starting to like this style of argument: Shoot down an opinion
> you simply don't like by calling a person names like racist and xenophobe (which
> is defined in Webster as "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and
> especially of people of foreign origin" I didn't think I was talking about foreign
> people...maybe it was the "bedouin" comment...of course, I'm Arab and by
> nationality a foreigner [still not a citizen] and lived in Kuwait for 17 years
> next to many a bedouin tribe. not foreign to me...but i digress. I used to
> think it was a transparent and weak way of arguing a point, but apparently it's
> not.
>
> Also, I've learned that reading comprehension is not very important either.
> Nevermind that what i said was that Iverson went after his ex-wife
> brandishing a gun (maybe I should emphasis this by adding quotes, using capital
> letters and underlining like this "BY BRANDISHING A GUN" so everyone can read it)
> and "EVERYONE SEEMED TO ACCEPT THIS BEHAVIOR". Maybe I shoulda added that in
> fact, Iverson himself explained "THE BRANDISHING OF A GUN" (NOT simply
> domestic violence) like this "I'm a product of my environment and hip hop
> culture. I can't change where I come from" on TNT! But who cares that Iverson
> himself connects the dots between the culture he is immersed in and his extreme
> behavior. What does he know? I have learned now that such logical reasoning
> is not important. What's important? I wrote it down for future reference:
> "To win an argument: 1. say clever sounding things, no matter how off
> subject, like "free market forces"...the more from total left field the better; 2.
> insult your opponent! 3. don't worry about reading comprehension, it doesn't
> matter, just make your point, ANY point"
>
> I've also learned that it is more fun to live in a fantasy world than
> reality. Those who live in the real world, who actually observe it, listening to
> the plain meaning of lyrics and noting the demonstrable effect on mainstream
> society at clubs, malls, movie theaters etc..are simply nuts, and racists
> xenophobes to boot!. So fuck that, I'm joining the other side's world, the Fun
> and Fantastic World of Diddy. I now force myself to believe that the most
> crushingly dominant style of Hip Hop in the WORLD, conveys a positive message
> like love thy neighbor and help the poor and desperate. It does not promote
> things like beating down bitches and hoes, gettin' yours, and poppin' caps in
> people's asses, and then hittin' up the club with a chronic and 40 ounce.
>
> Those things have NEVER been said in a hip hop track and is not being said
> now...i used to imagine that before i saw the light through this wonderful
> discussion. Must have been blind by all the ecstasy I took while raping women
> at Burning Man. I must have been out of my mind thinking that there were
> silly label feuds or even west coast east coast rivalries. The owner of the
> label that most defined an entire sound DOMINATING Hip Hop, is not a thug
> gangster and convicted felon, but is in fact this guy we like to call "sweet cuddly
> lil shoogy", who helps old ladies cross the street every morning. The label
> owner we should be worried about is that Jamie Thinnes guy...he's scary!
> Oh, and Notorious B.I.G. and Tupac were not really shot down over this B.S
> (Get out!!). They are both alive and well, hangin out with Elvis sippin'
> Margaritas on a Carribean Island.
>
> Seriously, if anyone is still reading the other thread (i doubt it), I'm
> sure you have some basic understanding of the parameters of what I was saying,
> not what has been ascribed to me by my fellow "give me Hip Hop or give me
> Death" apologists. My simple point was that the message of House vs. the one
> coming out of Hip Hop at this moment in time are incompatible. At the risk of
> repetition, this was an observational opinion, take it or leave it. I was not
> debating the cultural background or history of Hip Hop, the complexities and
> different facets of the genre, or the market reasons for why certain type of
> Hip Hop succeeds above others, or making statements like the "the sky is
> falling" or whatever that nonsensical irrelevant drivel was (sorry but it was
> nonsensical irrelevant drivel...really).
>
> Here are a few extra observational opinions: The fact that Cut Chemist is
> great doesn't make him anywhere near the leading voice of Hip Hop. And a few
> Hip Hop clubs in LA that don't need metal detectors at the door doesn't make
> pacifism the main message of the culture. I've been to 3 of those clubs
> listed by George (a bunch of time to Zanzibar alone). The vibe there is
> certainly more 'peaceful and friendly'. I call this what it is: a good start for
> Hip Hop reform. I hope it continues.
>
> I thank you for listening. I hope some of it made you laugh, cause I sure
> had a ball (no really). I apologize for the overblown reaction on the other
> side to such a basic point. I am now returning to the main program.
>
> Thug Life Forever! Peace out!!
>
> Imad
> housesaladla.com
> the GOOD life
>
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