[Dynagroove] dynagroove Digest, Vol 39, Issue 22
Mes
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Mon Aug 21 18:38:56 PDT 2006
Thanks to Cade for helping keeping house alive in L.A. and thanks for
bringing me out;)
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: WTF!!Does no one care about DIZ anymore??? (Cade)
2. Re: dynagroove Digest, Vol 39, Issue 21 (sallie kim)
3. WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore??? (zorica stancevic)
4. Re: WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore??? (t.luv .)
5. Re: "Does the LA House Scene suck?" - An all weekdebate/open
forum (t.luv .)
6. WTF - House Music (Pat SchooLastra)
7. "HONEY" COUNTDOWN (Vanessa Acuna)
8. Re: WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore??? (Gretchen Hileman)
9. Re: "Does the LA House Scene suck?" - An all weekdebate/open
forum (Gretchen Hileman)
10. Re: WTF - House Music (rylan at allhousemusic.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:06:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cade <con at dynagroove.com>
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF!!Does no one care about DIZ anymore???
To: Jah --- <logk7 at yahoo.com>
Cc: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
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OK now ya'll have done it. You done pissed me off... (sarcasm) Ok so we
are talking about booking the same old "rusty", "Clinging to past" DJs?
As a promoter in LA who has probably booked more talent then 90% of all
the other LA house promoters I am almost insulted by the complaining about
not bringing out new talent. here let me list some talent I have brought
out over the years for their first appearences in la:
Fred Everything
James Curd
Jamanta Crew
Matty (Narcaleptic)
Thomas Shahs
Scott Pace
Lance Desardi
Spettro
Troydon
Chuck Daniels
shit if I tried I am sure I could come up withh atleast another 30
names... Oh waaa another diz party.... Oh waaa he is playing with fred
everying... waaaa he is playing with the Jamanta Crew.. oh waaa He is
playing with troydon... Gee I really hate to subject LA to the same ol'
diz party over and over again....
Diz is a dynagroove resident.. why? because he is a consistant as hell.
which is why mark farina became so big. Now mind you mark is not the
consistant fellow I remember of the mid 90s. But I still think diz has
amazing track record for being consistant. I have heard him have some off
nights.. but in general he plays fresh new tracks that i find inspiring.
Am I not allowed to have a resident?
Sorry folks I don't like that techie/minimul sound that so many of you are
claiming is new. Yeah so new?
Try listening to Dean DeCosta's "Mood Matrix" Tape from circa 1997.. Yeah
the new "tech minimul" sound is real fresh and new.. HA!
For now I am going to stick with my disco/funk/r&b derived house that
makes me shake. You guys can stand around and listin to your tech at
your own parties lol Because I like my dancefloor to move and nothing
moves a floor better then disco sounds (in my opinion)!!
So with that being said..
there will be no NYC Dj at Motion this weekend..
Diz (the non house DJ) however will be there..
Miles Maeda one of the more underrated DJs will be there
and well I will be there I suck but I atleast look pretty!!!
Friday August 25th 2006
Strut - Motion - Dynagroove
Bring you a night of Chicago Beats!!!!
DJs:
Diz (Igloo, Classic, MFF/ Chicago)
Miles Maeda (Aroma, Guest House/ Chicago)
Cade (Motion, Dynagroove/ Los Angeles)
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006, Jah --- wrote:
> Finally someone says it! I mean how mean times can you listen to DIZ,
> FARINA,HEATHER,DC, MIGS, Ect. Its time to make a new way for other dj's
> and sounds. This guys are not educating the minds anymore. Who ever the
> promoter was for bringing out MATHEW DEAR. THANK YOU!!!!!!
>
>
> my two cents
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:33:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: sallie kim <sistasallie at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] dynagroove Digest, Vol 39, Issue 21
To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
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posting #1:
his scorn / typos / & his love of the word "RETARDED" - who else could it
be but joey bickle, aka joseph barr III???
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Today's Topics:
1. RERERERERetarded subjec: WTF! Does no one care about DIZ
anymore??? (solid funk)
2. Re: WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore??? (P N)
3. h-track radio (Tony Watson)
4. "Does the LA House Scene suck?" - An all week debate/open
forum (badiye at aol.com)
5. Re: WTF! (june yamakawa)
6. so my point is... (june yamakawa)
7. S2FBO (Boz)
8. Re: WTF! (let's kill it this weekend) (aaron at tohzt.com)
9. Re: WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore??? (Gretchen Hileman)
10. Re: WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore??? (sergio vazquez)
11. WTF!!Does no one care about DIZ anymore??? (Jah ---)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:47:38 +0000
From: "solid funk"
Subject: [Dynagroove] RERERERERetarded subjec: WTF! Does no one care
about DIZ anymore???
To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
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"WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore" To answer you're question, in a
public way since it was asked in a public way....NO. I don't care about
DIZ nor Carter, nor most of the long lived housie house crusaders. Though
I respect all of them, it's about time to make way and welcome new and
fresh designers/entertainers. It is time to turn the page. It becomes
obvious when ol' school heads start desperately grabbing ideas from new
comers. It wasn't as obvious when all the housie house producers started
using "hip hop" influences and sounds (a basic attempt to stay alive). It
was way more obvious when they started sneaking more synthy retro stuff
that I realized how most of the long running heads needed to get one more
nutt off, before most of them retire. When ever most music genres start
to loose steam there is always a group of followers who give one last
hurrah in a attempt to hold onto there life's work/support. I'm not sure
if anyone else feels what I am currently feeling. The new "underground"
has a lot to do with sound design, clever notes mixed with simply
satisfying rhythms. Feel good house was appropriately "underground"
when being a bad ass was the norm (hurley, x-games, gangster rap, trance
etc). Undergound is almost always the opposite of main stream. I
currently don't feel that happy funky funky feel good house is
appropriate for 2006-7's underground. Seeing people dance to happy happy
dance music at this time in history almost creeps me out. Especially
knowing what else is going on in the world. It get this feeling that most
of the happy bumpity house producers/dj (currently pretending to be super
stars) are totally satisfied getting the tail end of someone else's
creativity and work. People need to be challenged in order to be
entertained. I also realize that this very dynapost is an attemp for me
to get my "nutt off" so everyone on dynagroove can see how deep and
calibrated I am.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:56:20 -0700
From: P N
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore???
To: rylan at allhousemusic.com
Cc: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
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Amen, brother!
Drop that bomb of knowledge on this kids will ya!!
It does not really matter anyways cause anyone knows ELECTRO is taking
over everything including House!!! HA HA HA HAHA HAHAHHA
Gomes~
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 14:00:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tony Watson
Subject: [Dynagroove] h-track radio
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:05:37 -0400
From: badiye at aol.com
Subject: [Dynagroove] "Does the LA House Scene suck?" - An all week
debate/open forum
To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
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All week, we have the following keynote speakers on this very important,
nearly existential, subject. Please bring your pens and papers (or dancing
shoes) and join the debate:
Tuesday: Q-BURNS ABSTRACT (Fla) on Tuesday @ Focus (OC is LA, right?)
Wednesday: LADY D. (D'lectable, Chicago) @ Little Temple (a very important
speaker with a
Chicagoan point of view).
Thursday: Locals delight @ THE GOOD LIFE w/ BIG CEE and JUS BEN (2 of LA's
best offer an introspective discussion - for FREE!)
and of course the most controversial speakers of all:
FRIDAY: DIZ and MILES MAEDA @ Motion on Friday. (Subject: Does LA like Candy
Rave music but just doesn't know it? hmmm)
After that it's just post debate festivities with BALANCE on Saturday and
little known Sunday party called DEEP.
I heard PBS will be carrying this live!! Is everyone ready for a good debate
this week on the non-subject of LA House scene's suckiness....? Are you as
excited as I am to find out if our city sucks the big one? whohoooo!!!!
=)
imad
housesaladla.com
the GOOD life
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From: phathead at phatnetwork.net
To: rylan at allhousemusic.com
Cc: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
Sent: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore???
Amen, brother!
Drop that bomb of knowledge on this kids will ya!!
It does not really matter anyways cause anyone knows ELECTRO is taking
over everything including House!!! HA HA HA HAHA HAHAHHA
Gomes~
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:00:26 -0700
From: "june yamakawa"
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF!
To: phathead at phatnetwork.net, rylan at allhousemusic.com
Cc: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
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honestly the first time i was introduced to house, techno, trance or
whatever the fuc u want to call it was when i saw risky business.
tangerine dream was the shit...
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:12:55 -0700
From: "june yamakawa"
Subject: [Dynagroove] so my point is...
To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com, THolman at JAMSADR.com
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what was ur first experience to house music...tell me...i wanna hear...
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:50:22 -0700
From: Boz
Subject: [Dynagroove] S2FBO
To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
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It means "Something To Fall Back On"
It's the new Sunday night that debuted last night and it was off the hook...
Big ups to the MAUF crew for making this happen. Dope location (the
room), dope
sound, diverse music selection (bleeps to deeps)... and perfect
atmosphere, dark and cozy.
They have some great talent rolling through in the next few weeks so
come check it out.
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:52:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: aaron at tohzt.com
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF! (let's kill it this weekend)
To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
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A strong nation, like a strong person, can afford to be gentle, firm,
thoughtful, and restrained. It can afford to extend a helping hand to
others. It's a weak nation, like a weak person, that must behave with
bluster and boasting and rashness and other signs of insecurity.
-Jimmy Carter
Who goes to CHOICE Saturdays, anyway? (My two cents.)
pfft,
_A
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:00:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gretchen Hileman
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore???
To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
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Finally, an educated response to this topic. It blows my mind that a topic
like this was even started in the first place. In my opinion, who cares!!!!
Lighten up. Love the music. Respect the music. Fortunately for us, so many
different genres of house music have developed over the years which means
there's a sound for everyone. As I've been reading these responses, I'm
surprised I haven't pulled all the muscles in my eyes from rolling them so
much. Let's put it this way...Diz has rocked my world many times over the
years, but he plays out here so much that I hardly get excited when I see
him on the flyer. No disrespect to Diz...but I'd rather not go to that
party...I'd rather try on something new or hear Diz play something new...ya
dig? All you promotors out there keep booking the same ol dj's...over and
over and over again. If I didn't know any better, I'd think there were only
5 house dj's in the entire world. BORING. It's because you know he'll draw a
crowd...so are you bringing us music? or are you guaranteeing yourself that
you will make money on your party because you know heads will show up for
him? Ya dig? Your job, promotor people, is to bring us the music...so bring
it. Share with us the new sounds and moods...have a dj you absolutely love,
but you don't know if anyone else would? Book them...find out....anyone
who's life is about the music will give them a listen. Our "parties" are the
music...The music is so loud we can't carry conversation with
others...hello...there's a reason for that. I also have a beef with these
"big name" dj's as well because they have the power to bring the new sound
to us...and influence us...(yes...house music is evolving...open your ears
and mind)...but yet they don't....are they scared of clearing the dance
floor? However, it's the dj's we've never heard about, who play in the back
room or play really early or just stay in their bedrooms that take it
entirely new levels.
Look back at all music through the ages and notice that it's always
evolving...as are humans. Take rock n roll for example...people listened
everytime it changed and gave it a shot and it was the masses, the general
population...the drones...who accepted the changes....these changes were in
accordance to life and times in the world....each era in history has a
soundtrack that really highlights the people's state of mind...and the
strife of the world... These musicians took chances when the world was a lot
more closed minded and conservative than it is now. With house music, I
can't tell if a song is new or from 1998 most of the time....that's the dj's
fault for getting stuck in a rut...and the producers fault for playing it
safe so people will buy their records...or believing that there is a more
commercial crowd out there that you have to appeal to. I personally don't
think The Cure cared if they appealed to anyone...they just did their thing.
Face it, as a house dj,
you will never be famous...so who are you trying to play to? As a promotor,
you will never be famous and when I say, "damn that was a sick party"...it
was because the music was sick. If you want respect, promotor people...take
us to new levels. Although, I love the music deep dark moody and spooky and
always have, I must defend the peeps who flock towards the happy happy
music. Music is an escape. The world is a dark place right now...humans are
dark right now...which makes it easy for me to understand why people want to
get lost in the happy tunes. Some people just don't want to deal with the
darkness all the time and that's ok. I just find it insulting that the
producers, promotors and djs aren't giving a group of people who's minds
have always been more than open to new sounds (hence this whole electronic
underground, nonlyricized, music movement) any credit when it comes to the
new. Stimulate us..."challenge" us. We are some of the most open minded
people....so
why are we being held back and underestimated.
Before I go...I must say one more thing...this competition about where house
music started..blah blah blah.....is so completely shallow and
childish...leave the east west thing to the gansta rappers.
That's my rant. The End.
solid funk wrote:
"WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore" To answer you're question, in a
public way since it was asked in a public way....NO. I don't care about
DIZ nor Carter, nor most of the long lived housie house crusaders. Though
I respect all of them, it's about time to make way and welcome new and
fresh designers/entertainers. It is time to turn the page. It becomes
obvious when ol' school heads start desperately grabbing ideas from new
comers. It wasn't as obvious when all the housie house producers started
using "hip hop" influences and sounds (a basic attempt to stay alive). It
was way more obvious when they started sneaking more synthy retro stuff
that I realized how most of the long running heads needed to get one more
nutt off, before most of them retire. When ever most music genres start
to loose steam there is always a group of followers who give one last
hurrah in a attempt to hold onto there life's work/support. I'm not sure
if anyone else feels what I am currently feeling. The new "underground"
has a lot to do with sound design, clever notes mixed with simply
satisfying rhythms. Feel good house was appropriately "underground"
when being a bad ass was the norm (hurley, x-games, gangster rap, trance
etc). Undergound is almost always the opposite of main stream. I
currently don't feel that happy funky funky feel good house is
appropriate for 2006-7's underground. Seeing people dance to happy happy
dance music at this time in history almost creeps me out. Especially
knowing what else is going on in the world. It get this feeling that most
of the happy bumpity house producers/dj (currently pretending to be super
stars) are totally satisfied getting the tail end of someone else's
creativity and work. People need to be challenged in order to be
entertained. I also realize that this very dynapost is an attemp for me
to get my "nutt off" so everyone on dynagroove can see how deep and
calibrated I am.
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:10:36 +0000
From: "sergio vazquez"
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore???
To: choicesaturdays at gmail.com
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Sorry to add to the waste of e-mail space but what an igorant thing to
say "LA sucks???" what are you talking about. This past weekend alone
was off the hook. I guess it's hard to see it so far away from Santa
Ana.
I can't speak too much for clubs but the LA underground scene is one of
the richest in the world, in culture, music, styles... So many hard
working people out here putting things together and making it happen. I
am a bit shocked and at a loss for words.
How has Marques Wyatt been rockin DEEP for so many years (with plenty NY
djs) and even had to move to a bigger place cuz people did not fit at
Vynil anymore. Did you forget 'Does Your Momma Know'? Inspiration? 'For
Those Who Know'? Even the Boo Williams show earlier this year pulled at
least 200-300 people.
I am from Chicago, yes the home of house music but like the weather it
changes. I have been back and fourth since then and it's not the same as
anymore. You can't keep playing the same old trax over and over. Abe
Duque from NY said it the best 'New York, What Happened?'. Yes NY has a
strong acid tech side that not enough people talk about cuz it's
underground.
I love LA cuz it has so many styles of music and multiple events going on
everyday of the week. And we get such an interesting crowd (especially
after 3am) I like to think that LA does not have a sound (except for DOC
of course) but have you been to a DOC party and say that it sucks? With
600 people jumpin till ???am. What about Sacred Grounds? Spanning over
10+ years of solid underground parties. The last party with Farina and
J-dub pulled about 1500 people. We have paries at the park and even at
the Getty Center. LA is very strong a the moment so I don't see your
point.
You have valid arguments about the way music could or should be going,
and that's perfectly fine, but blanket statments are unintelligent and
only make you look ignorant and bitter. Leads me to believe you are not
happy with LA for whatever reason and as we know 'misery loves company'.
All you did was pissed off a bunch of hard working promoters and djs in
our great city. Even the ones that play 'East Coast House'. Sorry for
being negative, it's not my style and sorry for waste of e-mail space but
I felt that I needed to say something.
serge
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From: "Eddie Barajas"
To: "Choice Saturdays"
CC: dynagroove at dynagroove.com, Bonnie Marie
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore???
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:14:10 -0700
>Diz and candy kid raver mentality in the same sentence? come again?
>
>and you're giving NYC all the credit for house music? umm...
Chicago?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 8/18/06, Choice Saturdays wrote:
> >
> > Are you guys serious? LA sucks big time!!! LA knows NOTHING
about House
> > except for a handful of people. NYC is the foundation for what
we call
> > House music so to dis the city that gave birth to the original
form of
> > House
> > (a.k.a Disco) you'd have to be pretty ignorant about this music
and its
> > roots. LA knows tech, funky or whatever other stupid label
people in the
> > scene give it. I'm sorry but Diz is NOT House IMO and I consider
it to be
> > electronic dance music for the younger crowd that is new to the
scene or
> > those that never grew out of their "candy kid raver"
mentality. By all
> > means, NYC defines what House music and they pave the way to what
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:34:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: "zorica stancevic" <zoki at dynagroove.com>
Subject: [Dynagroove] WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore???
To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
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wow, this list can get pretty harsh. i give you all a lot of respect for
challenging all the promoters and djs out there to give you new and fresh
sounds for everyone to enjoy.
i don't really understand this whole "who started it..." thread, or the
this and that is better thread...it is all bullshit. just go and hear what
you'd like to hear, but talk about it in an intelligent way. music is art.
do you go hear students and lovers of art saying, "yea mondrian sucks
because he isn't michaelangelo?" there is a time and a place for
everything and everything progresses out of everything else. why do we
talk about house music as if it is a pop culture thing like britney vs.
chrisina or nsync vs. the backstreet boys? or the other great anology of
the east coast v. west coast rapper thing. why don't we talk about it
like music as an art? like great musicians talk about mozart, chopin and
beethoven? am i giving it too much credit? is it only worthy of discussion
within the framework of the superficial? don't get me wrong - i am a pop
culture fiend. i just happen to think that house music is interesting and
complex enough to talk about it like you would art, architecture, film,
photography and other types of music. i just don't remember anyone in
architecture school flat out saying, "yea, the arts and crafts movement in
scotland sucked. the arts and crafts movement in the us killed it." LA
house music will never sound like NYC house music, which will never sound
like Chicago house music....jesus, to think that, you would think that the
entire world was exactly the same, all living in the same moment. and
just because the world sucks right now, do we all need to jump on the
minimal/techie-wagon because of it? i'd rather follow the example of the
people living during the hard times of the great depression and flocked to
charlie chaplin and buster keaton movies to get away and laugh! i am
oversimplifying to make my point, but hopefully my point is getting
across.
quite frankly, i think diz is great, and i am going to this party. i
think diz's sound, although consistent (which is good!!!), always delivers
something fresh and new to my ears.
fuck all this shit. let's dance!!!
Friday August 25th 2006
Strut - Motion - Dynagroove
Bring you a night of Chicago Beats!!!!
DJs:
Diz (Igloo, Classic, MFF/ Chicago)
Miles Maeda (Aroma, Guest House/ Chicago)
Cade (Motion, Dynagroove/ Los Angeles)
hosted at Strut!!
Gotham Hall
1431 3rd St. Promenade
Santa Monica, CA
Park in structure #5 on 4th St. (betw. Broadway & Santa Monica).
Parking is FREE if you leave after 1:45 a.m!
21 +
10 PM to 2 AM
$10 before 11
my two cents, zoki
ps. gretchen, i believe that making the accusation that the promoters book
their talent based on making money doesn't give a single one of the
promoters on this list enough credit to the risk's they are taking and all
the hard work that they put into their parties. i think all they are
hoping for is a good party where people have a lot of fun and get to hear
some awesome music and dance their asses off. next to that, they are just
hoping to break even. ask any one of them what it feels like to book
different talent (and they do!!!) and not have anyone show up to their
parties. i think it sucks, on both a professional and personal level, to
see any one of them take that risk, go to their party, and only a handful
of people show up because derrick carter was booked somewhere else. i
give you a lot of respect if you are heading out to the parties where
there is new and different talent being booked. you have every perogative
to make that decision, but i wouldn't be so quick to judge.
pps. i'd like to thank "choice saturdays" for their initial response on
this. i am assuming "choice saturdays" is an event, yes? thanks for
making my "choice" for me. i, personally, don't feel the need to support
a promotional team that describes the househeads in LA as old school candy
ravers, or thinks that LA sucks.
Gretchen Hileman le_gretch at yahoo.com
Mon Aug 21 11:00:14 PDT 2006
Finally, an educated response to this topic. It blows my mind that a
topic like this was even started in the first place. In my opinion, who
cares!!!! Lighten up. Love the music. Respect the music. Fortunately
for us, so many different genres of house music have developed over the
years which means there's a sound for everyone. As I've been reading
these responses, I'm surprised I haven't pulled all the muscles in my eyes
from rolling them so much. Let's put it this way...Diz has rocked my
world many times over the years, but he plays out here so much that I
hardly get excited when I see him on the flyer. No disrespect to
Diz...but I'd rather not go to that party...I'd rather try on something
new or hear Diz play something new...ya dig? All you promotors out there
keep booking the same ol dj's...over and over and over again. If I didn't
know any better, I'd think there were only 5 house dj's in the entire
world. BORING. It's because you know he'll draw a
crowd...so are you bringing us music? or are you guaranteeing yourself
that you will make money on your party because you know heads will show
up for him? Ya dig? Your job, promotor people, is to bring us the
music...so bring it. Share with us the new sounds and moods...have a dj
you absolutely love, but you don't know if anyone else would? Book
them...find out....anyone who's life is about the music will give them a
listen. Our "parties" are the music...The music is so loud we can't
carry conversation with others...hello...there's a reason for that. I
also have a beef with these "big name" dj's as well because they have the
power to bring the new sound to us...and influence us...(yes...house
music is evolving...open your ears and mind)...but yet they don't....are
they scared of clearing the dance floor? However, it's the dj's we've
never heard about, who play in the back room or play really early or just
stay in their bedrooms that take it entirely new levels.
Look back at all music through the ages and notice that it's always
evolving...as are humans. Take rock n roll for example...people listened
everytime it changed and gave it a shot and it was the masses, the
general population...the drones...who accepted the changes....these
changes were in accordance to life and times in the world....each era in
history has a soundtrack that really highlights the people's state of
mind...and the strife of the world... These musicians took chances when
the world was a lot more closed minded and conservative than it is now.
With house music, I can't tell if a song is new or from 1998 most of the
time....that's the dj's fault for getting stuck in a rut...and the
producers fault for playing it safe so people will buy their records...or
believing that there is a more commercial crowd out there that you have
to appeal to. I personally don't think The Cure cared if they appealed
to anyone...they just did their thing. Face it, as a house dj,
you will never be famous...so who are you trying to play to? As a
promotor, you will never be famous and when I say, "damn that was a sick
party"...it was because the music was sick. If you want respect,
promotor people...take us to new levels. Although, I love the music deep
dark moody and spooky and always have, I must defend the peeps who flock
towards the happy happy music. Music is an escape. The world is a dark
place right now...humans are dark right now...which makes it easy for me
to understand why people want to get lost in the happy tunes. Some
people just don't want to deal with the darkness all the time and that's
ok. I just find it insulting that the producers, promotors and djs aren't
giving a group of people who's minds have always been more than open to
new sounds (hence this whole electronic underground, nonlyricized, music
movement) any credit when it comes to the new. Stimulate
us..."challenge" us. We are some of the most open minded people....so
why are we being held back and underestimated.
Before I go...I must say one more thing...this competition about where
house music started..blah blah blah.....is so completely shallow and
childish...leave the east west thing to the gansta rappers.
That's my rant. The End.
solid funk <solid_funk at hotmail.com> wrote:
"WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore" To answer you're question, in a
public way since it was asked in a public way....NO. I don't care about
DIZ nor Carter, nor most of the long lived housie house crusaders. Though
I respect all of them, it's about time to make way and welcome new and
fresh designers/entertainers. It is time to turn the page. It becomes
obvious when ol' school heads start desperately grabbing ideas from new
comers. It wasn't as obvious when all the housie house producers started
using "hip hop" influences and sounds (a basic attempt to stay alive). It
was way more obvious when they started sneaking more synthy retro stuff
that I realized how most of the long running heads needed to get one more
nutt off, before most of them retire. When ever most music genres start
to loose steam there is always a group of followers who give one last
hurrah in a attempt to hold onto there life's work/support. I'm not sure
if anyone else feels what I am currently feeling. The new "underground"
has a lot to do with sound design, clever notes mixed with simply
satisfying rhythms. Feel good house was appropriately "underground"
when being a bad ass was the norm (hurley, x-games, gangster rap, trance
etc). Undergound is almost always the opposite of main stream. I
currently don't feel that happy funky funky feel good house is
appropriate for 2006-7's underground. Seeing people dance to happy happy
dance music at this time in history almost creeps me out. Especially
knowing what else is going on in the world. It get this feeling that most
of the happy bumpity house producers/dj (currently pretending to be super
stars) are totally satisfied getting the tail end of someone else's
creativity and work. People need to be challenged in order to be
entertained. I also realize that this very dynapost is an attemp for me
to get my "nutt off" so everyone on dynagroove can see how deep and
calibrated I am.
--
"If I had no sense of humor, I would long ago have committed suicide." -
Mahatma Gandhi
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:35:10 -0700
From: "t.luv ." <indigoiris73 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore???
To: mikey.velazquez at gmail.com, choicesaturdays at gmail.com
Cc: dynagroove at dynagroove.com, heymissbonnie at yahoo.com
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i wonder what other opinions .. albert diaz has about what is and what is
not house.seems like someone died and made him "king of housetopia" ...
hehe j/k i think this is a good discussion ... what does "house" mean to
you? .. people are enjoying this music WE call house ... hmm and if diz
is not house .. what is house and what the heckorama are we dancing too?
hehe
"under one roof" t.la.music
http://www.myspace.com/t_honey
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From: "mikey velazquez" <mikey.velazquez at gmail.com>
To: "Choice Saturdays" <choicesaturdays at gmail.com>
CC: dynagroove at dynagroove.com, Bonnie Marie <heymissbonnie at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore???
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:17:01 -0700
>LOL!!!! Are YOU serious is the question????
>
>Now, I'm not taking any sides since I happen to like many
styles/genres of
>house, but by the same token LA indeed DOES rock. Sure NY/Chitown
may be a
>huge part of that foundation, but that's besides the point.
>
>AND from my understanding (now correct me if I'm wrong), to truly be
"house"
>is to accept all things under that very "roof" of the house. Not to
sound
>cheesy, but that goes for everything; whether music, dancing style,
fashion,
>cultural backgound, sexual orientation, etc, etc.....anything else
would be
>a diss to that very concept. You don't have to like any particular
style,
>but you really should accept it. It is what it is. Different strokes
for
>different folks. Whatchu talkin bout Willis?
>
>And regarding "paving the way", I think LA is the future you are
talking
>about, due to that very reason.......options are good, and we have
it ALL,
>and I'm loving it =)
>
>dos chavitos
>
>mikey
>
>
>
>On 8/18/06, Choice Saturdays <choicesaturdays at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Are you guys serious? LA sucks big time!!! LA knows NOTHING about
House
> > except for a handful of people. NYC is the foundation for what we
call
> > House music so to dis the city that gave birth to the original
form of
> > House
> > (a.k.a Disco) you'd have to be pretty ignorant about this music
and its
> > roots. LA knows tech, funky or whatever other stupid label people
in the
> > scene give it. I'm sorry but Diz is NOT House IMO and I consider
it to be
> > electronic dance music for the younger crowd that is new to the
scene or
> > those that never grew out of their "candy kid raver" mentality.
By all
> > means, NYC defines what House music and they pave the way to what
it will
> > be
> > in the future NOT Los Angeles. My two cents.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dynagroove-bounces at dynagroove.com
> > [mailto:dynagroove-bounces at dynagroove.com] On Behalf Of Bonnie
Marie
> > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:10 PM
> > To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
> > Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF! Does no one care about DIZ
anymore???
> >
> > In response to Cade's commentary on the house scene in NYC, he
indeed is
> > correct: LA f-ing rocks.
> >
> > ...but new york doesn't completely blow...
> >
> > I too have been in New York since the end of July, and it took me
a few
> > tries to find some places that I enjoyed immensely. One of the
best
> > parties
> > i've been to in a LONG time is on Wednesdays at Sin Sin, it's
called
> > Soulgasm. If you ever come to NY, you GOTTA check that one out. I
don't
> > even know the names of the DJs but the music is always on point,
and the
> > crowd is even better. i mean, really.
> >
> > Glenn Underground rocked me last week-- i didn't recognize a
single
> > record,
> > but my ass was on the dance floor all night (maybe why I didn't
see you
> > there, Cade? hmmmmm...?)
> >
> > The outdoor day parties have been off the hook, too-- one of 'em
in
> > Brooklyn
> > at Fort Greene Park on Sundays (live vocalists!), and also PS1 in
Queens
> > on
> > Saturdays was a great place to chill.
> >
> > Saw Gene Farris a couple weeks ago too-- he was playing a GREAT
set, but
> > there wasnt that many people there, which was a shame. ah well,
gave me
> > more room to dance! =) I talked to gene later that night and he
said that
> > the promoter just isn't cuttin it, which is why the place isnt
going off.
> >
> > So it took a little tenacity to find some proper places to go
with a good
> > crowd, but i do have to agree-- the LA house scene is pretty much
where
> > it's
> > at when compared with NY. Per capita, we have a much better ratio
of
> > sucky:kickass.
> >
> > my $0.02
> >
> > and i still care about Diz.
> >
> > bonnie marie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:46:55 -0700
From: "t.luv ." <indigoiris73 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] "Does the LA House Scene suck?" - An all
weekdebate/open forum
To: badiye at aol.com, dynagroove at dynagroove.com
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lol!!!!
maybe we should all go to Choice in OC to see what "real" house is ...
nah.
can't wait till wednesday to check out lady d .. and thurs for GOOD
LIFE!!!
what a week .... for us WANNABE househeads!!! let's do this .. who's got
the glow sticks!!
t.electo.boogie
http://www.myspace.com/t_honey
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From: badiye at aol.com
To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
Subject: [Dynagroove] "Does the LA House Scene suck?" - An all
weekdebate/open forum
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:05:37 -0400
>All week, we have the following keynote speakers on this very
important, nearly existential, subject. Please bring your pens and
papers (or dancing shoes) and join the debate:
>
>Tuesday: Q-BURNS ABSTRACT (Fla) on Tuesday @ Focus (OC is LA,
right?)
>
>Wednesday: LADY D. (D'lectable, Chicago) @ Little Temple (a very
important speaker with a
>Chicagoan point of view).
>
>Thursday: Locals delight @ THE GOOD LIFE w/ BIG CEE and JUS BEN (2
of LA's best offer an introspective discussion - for FREE!)
>
>and of course the most controversial speakers of all:
>
>FRIDAY: DIZ and MILES MAEDA @ Motion on Friday. (Subject: Does LA
like Candy Rave music but just doesn't know it? hmmm)
>
>After that it's just post debate festivities with BALANCE on
Saturday and little known Sunday party called DEEP.
>
>I heard PBS will be carrying this live!! Is everyone ready for a
good debate this week on the non-subject of LA House scene's
suckiness....? Are you as excited as I am to find out if our city
sucks the big one? whohoooo!!!!
>
>=)
>
>imad
>housesaladla.com
>the GOOD life
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: phathead at phatnetwork.net
>To: rylan at allhousemusic.com
>Cc: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
>Sent: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 1:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore???
>
>
>Amen, brother!
>
>Drop that bomb of knowledge on this kids will ya!!
>
>It does not really matter anyways cause anyone knows ELECTRO is
taking
>over everything including House!!! HA HA HA HAHA HAHAHHA
>
>
>Gomes~
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:58:41 -0700
From: Pat SchooLastra <me at patschoolastra.com>
Subject: [Dynagroove] WTF - House Music
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I am happy to see that there are more than the 20 people talking here.
Its funny how it takes Cade ruffling feathers to get people talking, but
whatever it takes, I am glad to see it happening....Some of the
responses about 'sounds' or 'cities' have been funny and even
surprising. Its interesting how after all these years people STILL don't
know where House Music came/comes from. I have heard all the stories,
read the articles and listened to interviews all about it. It seems that
just a handful of people will agree on when/where/who. Even the Old
School DJ's have said different things about it...truth is, who cares?
House/Trace/Techno/Breaks/DnB...its all just Dance Music. House is many
things to many different people. I guaranty that what many of you
consider House, many others would call something else. From DJ to DJ the
definition is all over the place. Ask someone on the street and they
will probably bring up an old techno track that they still remember from
whenever 'back in the day' was to them. Its simply undefinable.
As for the comments on Promoters booking only the same few people and
that its BORING, it is a business for them (and me). You cant expect
someone to just throw caution (and their money) to the wind and hope
people vibe on what they are doing and show up. No name DJ's are a VERY
tough sell. Many of them rock really hard but at the end of the day,
loosing money sucks big-time. A great party is really nice, but not when
you loose thousands of dollars to do it. I have lost a lot of money in
the past on parties, and made a lot of money too. From a business
standpoint, its just makes more sense to put your money into something
that has a successful track record. Booking Talent is always going to
come with risk, but at least with a bigger name you have a better chance
of pulling outside of the regular audience and covering your costs (let
alone actually turning a profit). I still like to do smaller parties and
shows with friends & locals playing, but I could never make a living on
that. I have also seen a number of promoters loose money this year on
parties that have gotten props on dynagroove. You simply must understand
that money is involved in EVERY decision. The old saying about show
business is; "If it wasn't about the business then people would call it
"show-show"...
In a perfect world, we would not have to worry about costs like Talent,
the Venue, the Permits, the Sound, the Visuals, the Marketing, etc. But
we do and until people start going to House events like they used to
(NOT based on the 'name' of some guy playing other people's music) it
will directly effect it. I would love to throw a party with no name
DJ's, have a $5 cover and an open bar all night. The LA House community
is so splintered though, that its next to impossible to make that work.
My hat is always off to the few promoters who can make it work. Its
EXTREMELY tough and without your support of BOTH the big names and the
small ones at parties, you are rarely going to get something or someone new.
I have been trying for years to get people like Joey Negro, Sandy Rivera
(KOT), Kenny Dixon Jr. (The Moodyman), Victor Simonelli and many more
out here. Thing is, without someone like (yes, your FAVORITE name DJ's)
Mark Farina/Derrick Carter/Miguel Migs on the line-up and a capacity
where I can bring in enough money at the door to pay for both DJ's, its
just not worth the risk. Most House parties in LA are lucky to bring in
500+ people. And again, with the House Scene being so splintered and so
much in-fighting going on, I think it will be a long time before things
pick up again. I do hope I am wrong though...
There has been some great talent out here in the last few months at
underground parties (Terry Francis, Onionz, Lawnchair Generals,
etc)...not just the same old names, and yet the support wasn't there as
it should/could have been. I don't think its the promoters fault on that
end. I think the audience is just plain unsure of what they want exactly.
-pat
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> Sorry to add to the waste of e-mail space but what an igorant thing to
> say "LA sucks???" what are you talking about. This past weekend alone
> was off the hook. I guess it's hard to see it so far away from Santa
> Ana.
>
> I can't speak too much for clubs but the LA underground scene is one of
> the richest in the world, in culture, music, styles... So many hard
> working people out here putting things together and making it happen. I
> am a bit shocked and at a loss for words.
>
> How has Marques Wyatt been rockin DEEP for so many years (with plenty NY
> djs) and even had to move to a bigger place cuz people did not fit at
> Vynil anymore. Did you forget 'Does Your Momma Know'? Inspiration? 'For
> Those Who Know'? Even the Boo Williams show earlier this year pulled at
> least 200-300 people.
>
> I am from Chicago, yes the home of house music but like the weather it
> changes. I have been back and fourth since then and it's not the same as
> anymore. You can't keep playing the same old trax over and over. Abe
> Duque from NY said it the best 'New York, What Happened?'. Yes NY has a
> strong acid tech side that not enough people talk about cuz it's
> underground.
>
> I love LA cuz it has so many styles of music and multiple events going on
> everyday of the week. And we get such an interesting crowd (especially
> after 3am) I like to think that LA does not have a sound (except for DOC
> of course) but have you been to a DOC party and say that it sucks? With
> 600 people jumpin till ???am. What about Sacred Grounds? Spanning over
> 10+ years of solid underground parties. The last party with Farina and
> J-dub pulled about 1500 people. We have paries at the park and even at
> the Getty Center. LA is very strong a the moment so I don't see your
> point.
>
> You have valid arguments about the way music could or should be going,
> and that's perfectly fine, but blanket statments are unintelligent and
> only make you look ignorant and bitter. Leads me to believe you are not
> happy with LA for whatever reason and as we know 'misery loves company'.
> All you did was pissed off a bunch of hard working promoters and djs in
> our great city. Even the ones that play 'East Coast House'. Sorry for
> being negative, it's not my style and sorry for waste of e-mail space but
> I felt that I needed to say something.
>
> serge
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: "Eddie Barajas" <dynalist at gmail.com>
> To: "Choice Saturdays" <choicesaturdays at gmail.com>
> CC: dynagroove at dynagroove.com, Bonnie Marie
> <heymissbonnie at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore???
> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:14:10 -0700
> >Diz and candy kid raver mentality in the same sentence? come again?
> >
> >and you're giving NYC all the credit for house music? umm...
> Chicago?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 8/18/06, Choice Saturdays <choicesaturdays at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Are you guys serious? LA sucks big time!!! LA knows NOTHING
> about House
> > > except for a handful of people. NYC is the foundation for what
> we call
> > > House music so to dis the city that gave birth to the original
> form of
> > > House
> > > (a.k.a Disco) you'd have to be pretty ignorant about this music
> and its
> > > roots. LA knows tech, funky or whatever other stupid label
> people in the
> > > scene give it. I'm sorry but Diz is NOT House IMO and I consider
> it to be
> > > electronic dance music for the younger crowd that is new to the
> scene or
> > > those that never grew out of their "candy kid raver"
> mentality. By all
> > > means, NYC defines what House music and they pave the way to what
> it will
> > > be
> > > in the future NOT Los Angeles. My two cents.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dynagroove-bounces at dynagroove.com
> > > [mailto:dynagroove-bounces at dynagroove.com] On Behalf Of Bonnie
> Marie
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:10 PM
> > > To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF! Does no one care about DIZ
> anymore???
> > >
> > > In response to Cade's commentary on the house scene in NYC, he
> indeed is
> > > correct: LA f-ing rocks.
> > >
> > > ...but new york doesn't completely blow...
> > >
> > > I too have been in New York since the end of July, and it took me
> a few
> > > tries to find some places that I enjoyed immensely. One of the
> best
> > > parties
> > > i've been to in a LONG time is on Wednesdays at Sin Sin, it's
> called
> > > Soulgasm. If you ever come to NY, you GOTTA check that one
> out. I don't
> > > even know the names of the DJs but the music is always on point,
> and the
> > > crowd is even better. i mean, really.
> > >
> > > Glenn Underground rocked me last week-- i didn't recognize a
> single
> > > record,
> > > but my ass was on the dance floor all night (maybe why I didn't
> see you
> > > there, Cade? hmmmmm...?)
> > >
> > > The outdoor day parties have been off the hook, too-- one of 'em
> in
> > > Brooklyn
> > > at Fort Greene Park on Sundays (live vocalists!), and also PS1 in
> Queens
> > > on
> > > Saturdays was a great place to chill.
> > >
> > > Saw Gene Farris a couple weeks ago too-- he was playing a GREAT
> set, but
> > > there wasnt that many people there, which was a shame. ah well,
> gave me
> > > more room to dance! =) I talked to gene later that night and he
> said that
> > > the promoter just isn't cuttin it, which is why the place isnt
> going off.
> > >
> > > So it took a little tenacity to find some proper places to go
> with a good
> > > crowd, but i do have to agree-- the LA house scene is pretty much
> where
> > > it's
> > > at when compared with NY. Per capita, we have a much better
> ratio of
> > > sucky:kickass.
> > >
> > > my $0.02
> > >
> > > and i still care about Diz.
> > >
> > > bonnie marie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:00:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vanessa Acuna <vanessamatrix at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Dynagroove] "HONEY" COUNTDOWN
To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
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"HONEY"
August 26 2006
"Remembering the fallen, and living, mudslide victims of the
Philippines."
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:52:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gretchen Hileman <le_gretch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore???
To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
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Well put. Very very well put. Wow...actually. All I'm saying here is that
the evolution of house music has generated so many sounds, but we only get
to hear a couple of them...and cali house has generated more house sounds
than anywhere. Chicago house is well...Chicago house...one sound.
Detroit...one sound...NYC...well I don't think about them because their
clubs have dress codes. hehe just playin...and why does everyone think
that when house music is described as deep dark moody and spooky that I'm
talking new age minimalism/techy shiz...I'm talking about HOUSE! That sound
is there...always has been.....uh hem....DOC
MARTIN...Simon....Onionz....Thomas Wicked...QBurns....Mark e Quark...Ben
Annand...I could go on, but these are some prime examples. Now that I think
about it...My roomy whipped out all her old tapes from back in the
day....from 1990 Galen and Jeno....to 1997 Onionz at the
Gathering....wow...is all I have to say about that. Now that's what I want
to
hear....deep dark moody spooky bumpin HOUSE music...trust me...anyone who
knows me sees me on the dance floor the entire time regardless...you know I
love it...so what if I have a preference...shoot me. Maybe DJ's should just
stop focusing on the new hits and play their old records. yah yah... I like
that idea. hehe Maybe I should be refering more to Cali DJ's...because I
couldn't imagine Diz bringing another sound other than Chicago....that's why
we bring him in....for that sound...and also to give a huge shout out to
where house music began...Chicago. But you can't disagree when I say it's
usually the same dj's all the time playing here in LA....I want to hear
others out there like...The Sound Republic...hint hint....and I want more
Lance Desardi...hehehe ok I'm done...hehe.
As for the promotor rant....I've been around a long time....I know the
hard work that goes into these parties and the costs and all that....I'm not
knocking them and their hard work. I thank them, but I know for a fact that
certain dj's are booked because they draw heads...which is a good thing, but
taking a chance on smaller named or no named talent is just as cost saving
in the pocket book....they don't charge as much to play...some...nothing at
all....and could possibly be more stimulating to the house head who's heard
it all before....I personally don't care if anyone is at the
party...Obviously the smart promotor would know that if they book someone
unknown, but someone they think bumps it hard...they should plan on a
smaller venue...take into consideration that there may not be a lot of heads
there, etc etc...cuz aren't the promotors there to bring in music? There
are some promotors out there who have earned such a level of respect that if
they say, "this dj is
the shiz...." people will come and if it's just me...well...the dance floor
would never be empty. They have the control to get stuff heard...why
not...take a chance. Promotors...I challenge you. I'm there purely for the
music...so I want to hear what's really out there...not what's mainstream in
an underground world. If I were to party with only a small handful of heads
who chose the unknown party vs. derrick carter....I'd be content because
we'd all be there for the real reason...MUSIC! Personally, I'm not a Carter
fan so....
Thanks for listening....
zorica stancevic <zoki at dynagroove.com> wrote:
wow, this list can get pretty harsh. i give you all a lot of respect for
challenging all the promoters and djs out there to give you new and fresh
sounds for everyone to enjoy.
i don't really understand this whole "who started it..." thread, or the
this and that is better thread...it is all bullshit. just go and hear what
you'd like to hear, but talk about it in an intelligent way. music is art.
do you go hear students and lovers of art saying, "yea mondrian sucks
because he isn't michaelangelo?" there is a time and a place for
everything and everything progresses out of everything else. why do we
talk about house music as if it is a pop culture thing like britney vs.
chrisina or nsync vs. the backstreet boys? or the other great anology of
the east coast v. west coast rapper thing. why don't we talk about it
like music as an art? like great musicians talk about mozart, chopin and
beethoven? am i giving it too much credit? is it only worthy of discussion
within the framework of the superficial? don't get me wrong - i am a pop
culture fiend. i just happen to think that house music is interesting and
complex enough to talk about it like you would art, architecture, film,
photography and other types of music. i just don't remember anyone in
architecture school flat out saying, "yea, the arts and crafts movement in
scotland sucked. the arts and crafts movement in the us killed it." LA
house music will never sound like NYC house music, which will never sound
like Chicago house music....jesus, to think that, you would think that the
entire world was exactly the same, all living in the same moment. and
just because the world sucks right now, do we all need to jump on the
minimal/techie-wagon because of it? i'd rather follow the example of the
people living during the hard times of the great depression and flocked to
charlie chaplin and buster keaton movies to get away and laugh! i am
oversimplifying to make my point, but hopefully my point is getting
across.
quite frankly, i think diz is great, and i am going to this party. i
think diz's sound, although consistent (which is good!!!), always delivers
something fresh and new to my ears.
fuck all this shit. let's dance!!!
Friday August 25th 2006
Strut - Motion - Dynagroove
Bring you a night of Chicago Beats!!!!
DJs:
Diz (Igloo, Classic, MFF/ Chicago)
Miles Maeda (Aroma, Guest House/ Chicago)
Cade (Motion, Dynagroove/ Los Angeles)
hosted at Strut!!
Gotham Hall
1431 3rd St. Promenade
Santa Monica, CA
Park in structure #5 on 4th St. (betw. Broadway & Santa Monica).
Parking is FREE if you leave after 1:45 a.m!
21 +
10 PM to 2 AM
$10 before 11
my two cents, zoki
ps. gretchen, i believe that making the accusation that the promoters book
their talent based on making money doesn't give a single one of the
promoters on this list enough credit to the risk's they are taking and all
the hard work that they put into their parties. i think all they are
hoping for is a good party where people have a lot of fun and get to hear
some awesome music and dance their asses off. next to that, they are just
hoping to break even. ask any one of them what it feels like to book
different talent (and they do!!!) and not have anyone show up to their
parties. i think it sucks, on both a professional and personal level, to
see any one of them take that risk, go to their party, and only a handful
of people show up because derrick carter was booked somewhere else. i
give you a lot of respect if you are heading out to the parties where
there is new and different talent being booked. you have every perogative
to make that decision, but i wouldn't be so quick to judge.
pps. i'd like to thank "choice saturdays" for their initial response on
this. i am assuming "choice saturdays" is an event, yes? thanks for
making my "choice" for me. i, personally, don't feel the need to support
a promotional team that describes the househeads in LA as old school candy
ravers, or thinks that LA sucks.
Gretchen Hileman le_gretch at yahoo.com
Mon Aug 21 11:00:14 PDT 2006
Finally, an educated response to this topic. It blows my mind that a
topic like this was even started in the first place. In my opinion, who
cares!!!! Lighten up. Love the music. Respect the music. Fortunately
for us, so many different genres of house music have developed over the
years which means there's a sound for everyone. As I've been reading
these responses, I'm surprised I haven't pulled all the muscles in my eyes
from rolling them so much. Let's put it this way...Diz has rocked my
world many times over the years, but he plays out here so much that I
hardly get excited when I see him on the flyer. No disrespect to
Diz...but I'd rather not go to that party...I'd rather try on something
new or hear Diz play something new...ya dig? All you promotors out there
keep booking the same ol dj's...over and over and over again. If I didn't
know any better, I'd think there were only 5 house dj's in the entire
world. BORING. It's because you know he'll draw a
crowd...so are you bringing us music? or are you guaranteeing yourself
that you will make money on your party because you know heads will show
up for him? Ya dig? Your job, promotor people, is to bring us the
music...so bring it. Share with us the new sounds and moods...have a dj
you absolutely love, but you don't know if anyone else would? Book
them...find out....anyone who's life is about the music will give them a
listen. Our "parties" are the music...The music is so loud we can't
carry conversation with others...hello...there's a reason for that. I
also have a beef with these "big name" dj's as well because they have the
power to bring the new sound to us...and influence us...(yes...house
music is evolving...open your ears and mind)...but yet they don't....are
they scared of clearing the dance floor? However, it's the dj's we've
never heard about, who play in the back room or play really early or just
stay in their bedrooms that take it entirely new levels.
Look back at all music through the ages and notice that it's always
evolving...as are humans. Take rock n roll for example...people listened
everytime it changed and gave it a shot and it was the masses, the
general population...the drones...who accepted the changes....these
changes were in accordance to life and times in the world....each era in
history has a soundtrack that really highlights the people's state of
mind...and the strife of the world... These musicians took chances when
the world was a lot more closed minded and conservative than it is now.
With house music, I can't tell if a song is new or from 1998 most of the
time....that's the dj's fault for getting stuck in a rut...and the
producers fault for playing it safe so people will buy their records...or
believing that there is a more commercial crowd out there that you have
to appeal to. I personally don't think The Cure cared if they appealed
to anyone...they just did their thing. Face it, as a house dj,
you will never be famous...so who are you trying to play to? As a
promotor, you will never be famous and when I say, "damn that was a sick
party"...it was because the music was sick. If you want respect,
promotor people...take us to new levels. Although, I love the music deep
dark moody and spooky and always have, I must defend the peeps who flock
towards the happy happy music. Music is an escape. The world is a dark
place right now...humans are dark right now...which makes it easy for me
to understand why people want to get lost in the happy tunes. Some
people just don't want to deal with the darkness all the time and that's
ok. I just find it insulting that the producers, promotors and djs aren't
giving a group of people who's minds have always been more than open to
new sounds (hence this whole electronic underground, nonlyricized, music
movement) any credit when it comes to the new. Stimulate
us..."challenge" us. We are some of the most open minded people....so
why are we being held back and underestimated.
Before I go...I must say one more thing...this competition about where
house music started..blah blah blah.....is so completely shallow and
childish...leave the east west thing to the gansta rappers.
That's my rant. The End.
solid funk wrote:
"WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore" To answer you're question, in a
public way since it was asked in a public way....NO. I don't care about
DIZ nor Carter, nor most of the long lived housie house crusaders. Though
I respect all of them, it's about time to make way and welcome new and
fresh designers/entertainers. It is time to turn the page. It becomes
obvious when ol' school heads start desperately grabbing ideas from new
comers. It wasn't as obvious when all the housie house producers started
using "hip hop" influences and sounds (a basic attempt to stay alive). It
was way more obvious when they started sneaking more synthy retro stuff
that I realized how most of the long running heads needed to get one more
nutt off, before most of them retire. When ever most music genres start
to loose steam there is always a group of followers who give one last
hurrah in a attempt to hold onto there life's work/support. I'm not sure
if anyone else feels what I am currently feeling. The new "underground"
has a lot to do with sound design, clever notes mixed with simply
satisfying rhythms. Feel good house was appropriately "underground"
when being a bad ass was the norm (hurley, x-games, gangster rap, trance
etc). Undergound is almost always the opposite of main stream. I
currently don't feel that happy funky funky feel good house is
appropriate for 2006-7's underground. Seeing people dance to happy happy
dance music at this time in history almost creeps me out. Especially
knowing what else is going on in the world. It get this feeling that most
of the happy bumpity house producers/dj (currently pretending to be super
stars) are totally satisfied getting the tail end of someone else's
creativity and work. People need to be challenged in order to be
entertained. I also realize that this very dynapost is an attemp for me
to get my "nutt off" so everyone on dynagroove can see how deep and
calibrated I am.
--
"If I had no sense of humor, I would long ago have committed suicide." -
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gretchen Hileman <le_gretch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] "Does the LA House Scene suck?" - An all
weekdebate/open forum
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"Does the LA House Scene suck?"
HELL NO!!!!! Sheesh!
"t.luv ." <indigoiris73 at hotmail.com> wrote:
lol!!!!
maybe we should all go to Choice in OC to see what "real" house is ...
nah.
can't wait till wednesday to check out lady d .. and thurs for GOOD
LIFE!!!
what a week .... for us WANNABE househeads!!! let's do this .. who's got
the glow sticks!!
t.electo.boogie
http://www.myspace.com/t_honey
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From: badiye at aol.com
To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
Subject: [Dynagroove] "Does the LA House Scene suck?" - An all
weekdebate/open forum
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:05:37 -0400
>All week, we have the following keynote speakers on this very
important, nearly existential, subject. Please bring your pens and
papers (or dancing shoes) and join the debate:
>
>Tuesday: Q-BURNS ABSTRACT (Fla) on Tuesday @ Focus (OC is LA,
right?)
>
>Wednesday: LADY D. (D'lectable, Chicago) @ Little Temple (a very
important speaker with a
>Chicagoan point of view).
>
>Thursday: Locals delight @ THE GOOD LIFE w/ BIG CEE and JUS BEN (2
of LA's best offer an introspective discussion - for FREE!)
>
>and of course the most controversial speakers of all:
>
>FRIDAY: DIZ and MILES MAEDA @ Motion on Friday. (Subject: Does LA
like Candy Rave music but just doesn't know it? hmmm)
>
>After that it's just post debate festivities with BALANCE on
Saturday and little known Sunday party called DEEP.
>
>I heard PBS will be carrying this live!! Is everyone ready for a
good debate this week on the non-subject of LA House scene's
suckiness....? Are you as excited as I am to find out if our city
sucks the big one? whohoooo!!!!
>
>=)
>
>imad
>housesaladla.com
>the GOOD life
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: phathead at phatnetwork.net
>To: rylan at allhousemusic.com
>Cc: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
>Sent: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 1:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore???
>
>
>Amen, brother!
>
>Drop that bomb of knowledge on this kids will ya!!
>
>It does not really matter anyways cause anyone knows ELECTRO is
taking
>over everything including House!!! HA HA HA HAHA HAHAHHA
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:19:34 -0700
From: <rylan at allhousemusic.com>
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF - House Music
To: "DynagrooveList" <dynagroove at dynagroove.com>
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Pat makes some interesting points. The 'house scene' in LA seems, to me,
very sub-divided. I think this whole thread is good evidence of that.
I however do not think that it is a bad thing, and I know there are a few
people who DO make it out to everything from Inspiration to Dynagroove to
Flashlight to Spundae to Bossa:Nova to Droid Behavior to blah di freakin
blah other place that has a different or semi different audience/crowd from
one another. Diversity and 'Choice' (pun obviously intended) are good
things.
I liked Tina's casual "under one roof" mention there. (I think someone else
mentioned it as well?)
Getting back to Pat's email, I think what an INDIVIDUAL wants in a
party/club is very subjective, but PEOPLE in general often will settle for a
good ol fashioned 'good time'.
I can't tell you how many parties/clubs I have been to in LA where I did not
enjoy the music at all, but still had fun because my friends were there, or
I met a new friend, or maybe just experienced something different weather
'good' or 'bad' it's nice to always try your best to stay open. I think
almost all of us are at one time or another guilty of not being open enough
to other ideas. I certainly know I frequently use blanket statements like
'such and such style sucks' myself. We are all entitled to our opinions and
the liberty to express them, however badly we chose to do so..
Anyway I think everyone needs to 'kiss and make up' and keep doing what
you're all doing. Everyone needs to find their niche. Otherwise every one of
the what, 5 to 10 respectable house events per week in the LA area would
feature the same top 10 tracks of the month. Personally rather than continue
to be all pissed with Albert, though I totally disagree with him and was
very quick to react with my own opinions, (you know what they say about
opinions and assholes right?) I will try to check out Choice some time when
we are in town. I have never been there, hey I might even enjoy it.
I guess what I am trying to say is we all need to stop acting like little
girls.. no offense to any little girls on the list of course! only
attempting to lighten the mood!
See you all soon, we hope!
Rylan White
http://stompy.com/label/allhousemusic
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From: dynagroove-bounces at dynagroove.com
[mailto:dynagroove-bounces at dynagroove.com]On Behalf Of Pat SchooLastra
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:59 AM
To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
Subject: [Dynagroove] WTF - House Music
I am happy to see that there are more than the 20 people talking here.
Its funny how it takes Cade ruffling feathers to get people talking, but
whatever it takes, I am glad to see it happening....Some of the
responses about 'sounds' or 'cities' have been funny and even
surprising. Its interesting how after all these years people STILL don't
know where House Music came/comes from. I have heard all the stories,
read the articles and listened to interviews all about it. It seems that
just a handful of people will agree on when/where/who. Even the Old
School DJ's have said different things about it...truth is, who cares?
House/Trace/Techno/Breaks/DnB...its all just Dance Music. House is many
things to many different people. I guaranty that what many of you
consider House, many others would call something else. From DJ to DJ the
definition is all over the place. Ask someone on the street and they
will probably bring up an old techno track that they still remember from
whenever 'back in the day' was to them. Its simply undefinable.
As for the comments on Promoters booking only the same few people and
that its BORING, it is a business for them (and me). You cant expect
someone to just throw caution (and their money) to the wind and hope
people vibe on what they are doing and show up. No name DJ's are a VERY
tough sell. Many of them rock really hard but at the end of the day,
loosing money sucks big-time. A great party is really nice, but not when
you loose thousands of dollars to do it. I have lost a lot of money in
the past on parties, and made a lot of money too. From a business
standpoint, its just makes more sense to put your money into something
that has a successful track record. Booking Talent is always going to
come with risk, but at least with a bigger name you have a better chance
of pulling outside of the regular audience and covering your costs (let
alone actually turning a profit). I still like to do smaller parties and
shows with friends & locals playing, but I could never make a living on
that. I have also seen a number of promoters loose money this year on
parties that have gotten props on dynagroove. You simply must understand
that money is involved in EVERY decision. The old saying about show
business is; "If it wasn't about the business then people would call it
"show-show"...
In a perfect world, we would not have to worry about costs like Talent,
the Venue, the Permits, the Sound, the Visuals, the Marketing, etc. But
we do and until people start going to House events like they used to
(NOT based on the 'name' of some guy playing other people's music) it
will directly effect it. I would love to throw a party with no name
DJ's, have a $5 cover and an open bar all night. The LA House community
is so splintered though, that its next to impossible to make that work.
My hat is always off to the few promoters who can make it work. Its
EXTREMELY tough and without your support of BOTH the big names and the
small ones at parties, you are rarely going to get something or someone new.
I have been trying for years to get people like Joey Negro, Sandy Rivera
(KOT), Kenny Dixon Jr. (The Moodyman), Victor Simonelli and many more
out here. Thing is, without someone like (yes, your FAVORITE name DJ's)
Mark Farina/Derrick Carter/Miguel Migs on the line-up and a capacity
where I can bring in enough money at the door to pay for both DJ's, its
just not worth the risk. Most House parties in LA are lucky to bring in
500+ people. And again, with the House Scene being so splintered and so
much in-fighting going on, I think it will be a long time before things
pick up again. I do hope I am wrong though...
There has been some great talent out here in the last few months at
underground parties (Terry Francis, Onionz, Lawnchair Generals,
etc)...not just the same old names, and yet the support wasn't there as
it should/could have been. I don't think its the promoters fault on that
end. I think the audience is just plain unsure of what they want exactly.
-pat
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> Sorry to add to the waste of e-mail space but what an igorant thing to
> say "LA sucks???" what are you talking about. This past weekend alone
> was off the hook. I guess it's hard to see it so far away from Santa
> Ana.
>
> I can't speak too much for clubs but the LA underground scene is one of
> the richest in the world, in culture, music, styles... So many hard
> working people out here putting things together and making it happen. I
> am a bit shocked and at a loss for words.
>
> How has Marques Wyatt been rockin DEEP for so many years (with plenty NY
> djs) and even had to move to a bigger place cuz people did not fit at
> Vynil anymore. Did you forget 'Does Your Momma Know'? Inspiration? 'For
> Those Who Know'? Even the Boo Williams show earlier this year pulled at
> least 200-300 people.
>
> I am from Chicago, yes the home of house music but like the weather it
> changes. I have been back and fourth since then and it's not the same as
> anymore. You can't keep playing the same old trax over and over. Abe
> Duque from NY said it the best 'New York, What Happened?'. Yes NY has a
> strong acid tech side that not enough people talk about cuz it's
> underground.
>
> I love LA cuz it has so many styles of music and multiple events going on
> everyday of the week. And we get such an interesting crowd (especially
> after 3am) I like to think that LA does not have a sound (except for DOC
> of course) but have you been to a DOC party and say that it sucks? With
> 600 people jumpin till ???am. What about Sacred Grounds? Spanning over
> 10+ years of solid underground parties. The last party with Farina and
> J-dub pulled about 1500 people. We have paries at the park and even at
> the Getty Center. LA is very strong a the moment so I don't see your
> point.
>
> You have valid arguments about the way music could or should be going,
> and that's perfectly fine, but blanket statments are unintelligent and
> only make you look ignorant and bitter. Leads me to believe you are not
> happy with LA for whatever reason and as we know 'misery loves company'.
> All you did was pissed off a bunch of hard working promoters and djs in
> our great city. Even the ones that play 'East Coast House'. Sorry for
> being negative, it's not my style and sorry for waste of e-mail space but
> I felt that I needed to say something.
>
> serge
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: "Eddie Barajas" <dynalist at gmail.com>
> To: "Choice Saturdays" <choicesaturdays at gmail.com>
> CC: dynagroove at dynagroove.com, Bonnie Marie
> <heymissbonnie at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF! Does no one care about DIZ anymore???
> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:14:10 -0700
> >Diz and candy kid raver mentality in the same sentence? come again?
> >
> >and you're giving NYC all the credit for house music? umm...
> Chicago?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 8/18/06, Choice Saturdays <choicesaturdays at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Are you guys serious? LA sucks big time!!! LA knows NOTHING
> about House
> > > except for a handful of people. NYC is the foundation for what
> we call
> > > House music so to dis the city that gave birth to the original
> form of
> > > House
> > > (a.k.a Disco) you'd have to be pretty ignorant about this music
> and its
> > > roots. LA knows tech, funky or whatever other stupid label
> people in the
> > > scene give it. I'm sorry but Diz is NOT House IMO and I consider
> it to be
> > > electronic dance music for the younger crowd that is new to the
> scene or
> > > those that never grew out of their "candy kid raver"
> mentality. By all
> > > means, NYC defines what House music and they pave the way to what
> it will
> > > be
> > > in the future NOT Los Angeles. My two cents.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dynagroove-bounces at dynagroove.com
> > > [mailto:dynagroove-bounces at dynagroove.com] On Behalf Of Bonnie
> Marie
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:10 PM
> > > To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] WTF! Does no one care about DIZ
> anymore???
> > >
> > > In response to Cade's commentary on the house scene in NYC, he
> indeed is
> > > correct: LA f-ing rocks.
> > >
> > > ...but new york doesn't completely blow...
> > >
> > > I too have been in New York since the end of July, and it took me
> a few
> > > tries to find some places that I enjoyed immensely. One of the
> best
> > > parties
> > > i've been to in a LONG time is on Wednesdays at Sin Sin, it's
> called
> > > Soulgasm. If you ever come to NY, you GOTTA check that one
> out. I don't
> > > even know the names of the DJs but the music is always on point,
> and the
> > > crowd is even better. i mean, really.
> > >
> > > Glenn Underground rocked me last week-- i didn't recognize a
> single
> > > record,
> > > but my ass was on the dance floor all night (maybe why I didn't
> see you
> > > there, Cade? hmmmmm...?)
> > >
> > > The outdoor day parties have been off the hook, too-- one of 'em
> in
> > > Brooklyn
> > > at Fort Greene Park on Sundays (live vocalists!), and also PS1 in
> Queens
> > > on
> > > Saturdays was a great place to chill.
> > >
> > > Saw Gene Farris a couple weeks ago too-- he was playing a GREAT
> set, but
> > > there wasnt that many people there, which was a shame. ah well,
> gave me
> > > more room to dance! =) I talked to gene later that night and he
> said that
> > > the promoter just isn't cuttin it, which is why the place isnt
> going off.
> > >
> > > So it took a little tenacity to find some proper places to go
> with a good
> > > crowd, but i do have to agree-- the LA house scene is pretty much
> where
> > > it's
> > > at when compared with NY. Per capita, we have a much better
> ratio of
> > > sucky:kickass.
> > >
> > > my $0.02
> > >
> > > and i still care about Diz.
> > >
> > > bonnie marie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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