[Dynagroove] Tables for sale (Long response)

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Still friends :-) ?

Of course!!? =)


-----Original Message-----
From: josh at mindboxmedia.com
To: BadIYE at aol.com
Sent: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] Tables for sale (Long response)



Yo

Just to make a quick explanation. Distortion meaning saturation and a
"Smeary sound" IE Less Defined. One thing you CAN do with CDs is turn down
the highs...but you can't put more highs into a record (they aren't
there). Also ear fatigue is either the Sound Guy or the DJ's fault. MP3s
are generally harsher compared to wavs as they mess with the very high
frequencies and compress them more because they are less audible.

As far as everybody playing the same stuff...well that's just because they
aren't really working too hard :-). I think with vinyl i was hearing the
same stuff over and over more because there was less selection out there.
We rarely even book that jackin chicago sound any more @ focus just
because it's been beaten to death in southern california lately.

I hate to say it, but vinyl is pretty much gone within a year. I show up
to a lot of clubs and they don't have turntables any more. There will be a
few artists where we would probably rent some for them, but other than
that i can't see us bringing them in every week after another year.

You really need to experience an all CDJ set on a good system like
Vanguard or even Focus. One thing i'm super proud of is the fact our sound
system doesn't hurt your ears.

BTW It would be easy to get this sound by just putting each CD Through
some kind of tube preamps & roll off the higs. I would suspect you would
get a very similar sound.

I definitely can't argue with the feel/history of vinyl. I would much
rather play a rolling stones LP than listen to one on CD. The pops, hiss,
clicks and stuff would add to the music instead of detract, but in the
club these things i think take away from the experience.

Still friends :-) ?

-Josh Billings

 >
> In a message dated 10/11/2007 3:41:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> josh at mindboxmedia.com writes:
>
> Don't  hate me :-)
>
> -Josh Billings
>
>
> Never!!!  =)
>
> You make great points.  I agree with many of your arguments pro-CDs,
> especially the bit about producers being able to play their newest stuff
> immediately, as well as DJs having more freedom to edit and be creative,
> and  play the
> latest stuff.  What I disagree about is that most DJ are NOT  taking
> advantage
> of this.   Also, because they need to make  money by volume, many
> producers
> have innundated the internet with so-called  new stuff that is all rehash
> of
> their sound (Exhibit A:  Joey  Youngman).  How many DJ sets have you heard
> that
> Youngman sound splashed  all over it?   Don't tell that was not common for
> a
> long  time.
>
> In addition, the cheapness of CDs as well as the ease of playing CDJS
> swells
> the number of people who consider themselves "DJs".  This may be
> anecdotal,
> but there is no way anyone can tell me that current sets can be
> differentiated between many djs.   When one sound is popular (say the
> Joey Youngman sound)
> it gets splashed all over the internet stores and it  creates a herd
> mentality.  Producers start making that same sound in  droves, and DJs
> start buying
> that sound in droves and then peddling it on the  dancers in droves.
> Exhibit B:
>  top 100 singles on _www.stompy.com_ (http://www.stompy.com) .
>
> If anything, DJs now fall along largely one dimensional styles.
> Jacking/Funky - "Deep" - Techy.  No one really mixes and matches.  IA
> really well
> constructed dj set that ignores those confines is a rare  thing.  This
> year, the
> only convincing one that was really special was by  Q-Burns Abstract @ The
> Good
> Life finale rooftop and he plays pretty much 100%  vinyl (he tells me it's
> because of the analog sound...go figure, huh?).   (He'll be playing at
> your club
> soon, no?...check out THAT set).  A distant  second is Oliver Desmet at
> Kinesic
> and from what I recall, he was either playing  all vinyl or a whole lot of
> it.
>
> I have listened to the difference between CDJs and Vinyl in the same  set.
> This happened all the time over the last 2 years of The Good  Life.  Vinyl
> always beat CDJs.  Many Producer/Djs will play their  newest stuff, and
> guess
> what, not compressed or mixed down quite right, and the  highs blows your
> ear out.
>  I remember clearly going to Therapy for my boys,  the Hawt crew.  When
> Gelly
> took over, he played great stuff, but did it all  on CDs, and the highs
> were
> noticeably elevated.  I actually had to leave,  so I can give my old fart
> ears
> a rest.  Right before Gelly came on, whoever  was on was playing only
> vinyl
> and it sound "warm".  If the warm sound I'm  speaking of is distortion to
> you,
> then maybe you and i need to have a listening  session...=)
>
> CDs and CDJs have the advantage for sure.  But vinyl should co-exist  with
> digital.  There is no need to simply discard a thing of beauty like  Vinyl
> like
> an old maid who "used to be pretty".  =)
>
> Imad.
>
>
>
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