[Dynagroove] Bickle's point...

t.luv . indigoiris73 at hotmail.com
Thu Sep 25 11:01:05 PDT 2008 

> because to the point,  no one has really answered amy's question as to why
> the sarcastic disco  parties, specifically, aren't promoted on the
> dynagroove  list.
> 
does that question really have to be asked ... honestly, it's doubt it is anything personal against anyone on or off the list. but dynagroove is not the go to guide for all of la .. or even the house underground.. though i've been a dynagroove member since the early 80s :) , i have honestly gone months without checkin the elist ... and have been fine ... danced all night at some dope parties .. ya i completely appreciate the list and acknowledge it's influence and importance .. but really now, does that question need to be asked .. it's more like instigating something that is irrelevant .. many parties aren't posted on this list .. i can name plenty .. are the promoters ignoring us and if they are is it a judgment on those that read the list ??? how silly and paranoid is that reasoning.. there was nothing negative about this party .. though i understand the natural human impulse to make something seem negative if we feel we were ignored or excluded by that group ... i just gotta say ... that this seems to be far from the case ... i saw no sign on the door saying dynagroovers not welcome .. in fact there were plenty of you there ... smiling and grooving right along with us ... :)

and imad , seven years is a long time .. are you sure it was seven years ago .. dang we've been doing this thing for a hella long time.

oh and in my experience, everyone is the same. some people are open minded while others aren't so open believing their musical preference is better than yours .. because it reflects their level of intelligence and creativity or what not.. even though most aren't musicians themselves .. people use these labels to identify themselves with .. most musicians are open minded understanding that good music is good music. in reality it's the same comments ... house heads saying they "hate" techno .. technophiles saying they hate house ... one thing i could say about sarcastic disco is it isn't a house event ... and this being a house music email list might have something to do with it not being posted here ... really there could be a plethora of reasons ... let's focus on the positive. 

looking forward to hitting up dynagroove ... miss you guys :) 
and that's a tight line up 

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> From: BadIYE at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:14:11 -0400
> To: zoki at dynagroove.com; dynagroove at dynagroove.com
> Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] Bickle's point...
> 
> what Zoki says is true.  the first party i ever promoted on this list  was
> INVITED, almost 7 years ago, the premise of which was  inviting 8 djs to play
> a
> 40 minute set each of whatever they wanted to  play.  The music radically
> changed about 8 times all in one night.  We  had people playing breaks, house,
> prog, electro, one time an early hip hop set,  and even trance (Sandra collins
> came once but could not accept our  invite to spin because she was under
> contract with Giant...those  were the days.  hehehe).  I was never told not to
> post s
> uch a party on  this list nor did I ever once hear anyone complain that it
> wasn't "funky  house".  I think that's just a made up dispute, frankly.  So, i
> do
>  agree with Amy that, it is somewhat weird that the list was  ignored.
> 
> Also, in my experience, I found most people in house music are  much more
> open minded about music then others.  there is a difference  between a
> 'preference' for house, and a narrow minded view of dance music (which  I
> admit some
> house head do exhibit).  But overall, this is a  stereotype that others have
> imposed on the house community.  The opposite  is usually true:  house heads
> are
> willing to go to events where other music  is playing, while others
> (especially
> the electro, hip-hop, mainstream dance  crowd) refuse categorically to step
> one foot into a house  party.
> 
> This is not to say that there aren't exception going both ways, but that  had
> been my experience.  I'm willing to listen and be convinced  otherwise.
> 
> Now...how about that bailout of the  financial industry?  crooks, one and
> all, i say...any  thoughts?  =)
> 
> Imad
> housesaladla.com
> 
> 
> In a message dated 9/19/2008 3:08:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> zoki at dynagroove.com writes:
> 
> i've  been reading this discussion bit for awhile now and i do understand
> your  point.  however, it has never been the attitude of the list to say
> "we  can't post your party because it is not "funky house music"."  if  it
> is electronic music related and located in southern california, it  gets
> posted to the list. promotion outside of this list is a matter of  choice
> and it is fine that you can say that the members of this list need  to
> reach out more to find more information. what i read throughout  this
> thread is a lot of hypocrisy.
> 
> the dissemination of information  needs to have a starting point. maybe the
> starting point is the list, maybe  it is somewhere else. building and
> maintaining a scene is all about network  and connectivity.
> 
> to play a bit of devil's advocate it can be perceived  that what you are
> saying is that the members of this list are not worthy of  your time and
> effort to promote on the list. are the "funky house music"  bunch perceived
> as being that narrow minded? do we not go to other types of  events? do we
> not enjoy other types of music?
> 
> because to the point,  no one has really answered amy's question as to why
> the sarcastic disco  parties, specifically, aren't promoted on the
> dynagroove  list.
> 
> 
> 
> *** Jorge Medina***
> > I'm not typically one to get  involved in these type of discussions but I
> > believe Joe's point was  lost in his rhetoric and bad analogies involving
> > cows
> > and  bicycles, but its an important point nonetheless. I believe his point
> >  is
> > that there was a time when you probably could depend solely on  Dynagroove
> > for
> > you party information, but that time has  passed.  There are currently a
> > large
> > number of good  parties in Los Angeles that are outside of the "funky house
> > scene." It  has gotten to the point where there are probably more good
> >  parties
> > in LA that are not posted/mentioned on this list then those  which are
> > posted.
> > Perhaps more importantly, many of those  parties, be they Dark Disco,
> > Minimal,
> > Techno, etc., have a  life, energy and excitement that I feel has been
> > sorely
> >  missing our house scene in a while. Moreover, many of the people that
> >  throw
> > and attend those parties have no connection with the Dynagroove  list or
> > the
> > house scene generally and, because that community  is thriving, don't feel
> > the
> > need to reach out or expand their  promotion.  I believe that is a shame
> > because there is a great  energy building in Los Angeles that many people
> > are
> > missing  out on, which, if exposed to, I feel they would enjoy.
> >
> > That  said, I don't think Joe intended to offend anyone. In throwing
> >  parties
> > with Bickle  for over five years now I can tell you that  this isn't the
> > first
> > time his blunt/Pittsburgh way of  communicating has caused people to take
> > offense. Regardless of his  form of communication, I think his point still
> > stands. This community  has generally become very insular and folks are
> > missing
> > out on  wide spectrum of events that are making this one of the most
> >  exciting
> > periods in the Los Angeles dance music sense in a long  time.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jorge
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