From: Roland Mueller

Sent: Thursday, September 13, = 2001 7:51 AM

To: Lawrence St= eller; groop@groo.com

Subject: Re: [Groop]World Trade Center

To the Groop,
=
Everything happened so quickly on tuesday, my head is still spinning.=
It's awful that a handful of terrorists could affect the lives of so<= BR>many innocent people.    Living in the Chicago area, we= felt that we
could be also on the terrorists hit list with all the sk= yscrapers and
airplanes we have flying around here. We closed th= e airports, some
major buildings, schools, and the major shopping mall= s to prevent more
terrorism. But we felt useless in not be able = to help our brothers in
NYC. We continue to pray for everyone th= at was affected by these
terrible attacks on NYC. I hope that we can g= et to the bottom of the
problem of terrorism by eliminating all known = terrorist organizations
and the countries that support them. It = would make a safer place to
live for all of our civilized brothers and= sisters around the world.

God bless,

Roland

Lawrenc= e Steller wrote:

> Oh, a sad but ironic thought just came to me= . Greg
> Craill was one of many to send me a note hoping I am
&g= t; okay. THANKS GREG!!!
>
> The irony is, the night before th= e tragedy, I had
> responded to an email from him in which he said = he and
> his wife will be visiting NYC soon, and wanted to hear
= > ideas for things to do. Among my suggestions:
>
> -World= Trade Center, although not as cool as the
> Empire State Building,= is a bit bigger!
>
> Posted 9/10!!! I wonder Greg, did you r= ead this before
> or after you heard the tragic news???
>
= > -Larry Steller
>
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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C13D65.9DF8BD00-- From blaster24@hotmail.com Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:53:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:53:14 -0400 From: Jason Roberts blaster24@hotmail.com Subject: [groop] Question for M.E. After tuesdays events, and new fear of flying, Do you and Sergio plan to make different plans than flying to different cities and such for conventions and other travels? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From sac@foolarchy.com Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:41:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:41:35 -0400 From: sac@foolarchy.com sac@foolarchy.com Subject: [groop] Question for M.E. Heh... no terrorist in their sane, or insane, mind would think of doing anything to bring harm to senior Aragones or M.E. for one simple fact.... for fear of suffering the wrath of Gary Grossman, fan number one! Heh... sorry 'bout that Gary... couldn't resist that little elbow jab there. :) ~Shane Original Message: ----------------- From: Jason Roberts blaster24@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:53:14 -0400 To: groop@groo.com Subject: [groop] Question for M.E. After tuesdays events, and new fear of flying, Do you and Sergio plan to make different plans than flying to different cities and such for conventions and other travels? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________________ Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From scott@knyght.net Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:35:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:35:27 -0500 From: Scott scott@knyght.net Subject: [groop] Question for M.E. I am going to hire Groo to be your personal body guard... no, wait, he will slay you then... OK, I will get Groo as the terrorist's body guard... no, wait, double cross plans always backfire and he will do it right and still slay you... OK, get 'em Gary, I got your back! Scott -----Original Message----- From: groop-admin@groo.com [mailto:groop-admin@groo.com]On Behalf Of sac@foolarchy.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:42 PM To: groop@groo.com Subject: RE: [groop] Question for M.E. Heh... no terrorist in their sane, or insane, mind would think of doing anything to bring harm to senior Aragones or M.E. for one simple fact.... for fear of suffering the wrath of Gary Grossman, fan number one! Heh... sorry 'bout that Gary... couldn't resist that little elbow jab there. :) ~Shane Original Message: ----------------- From: Jason Roberts blaster24@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:53:14 -0400 To: groop@groo.com Subject: [groop] Question for M.E. After tuesdays events, and new fear of flying, Do you and Sergio plan to make different plans than flying to different cities and such for conventions and other travels? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________________ Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop From sheikofentropy@yahoo.com Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:07:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Lawrence Steller sheikofentropy@yahoo.com Subject: [Groop]World Trade Center --- The Craills at FAL wrote: > I read Larry's email...he also > said that where he worked (MACY's) was about a block > from the Empire State > Building,...and amongst all the smoke I > saw the tip of the Empire > State Building . . . . . . . > > "A block WHICH WAY LARRY ! " came to mind... People who haven't experienced New York first-hand have a hard time understanding how immense the city is, and how HUGE some of these landmark buildings are. As close as the Empire State building may seem to be in some of those shots, it is about 3 miles away from the site of the World Trade Center Disaster. Those of you old-timer Groopers/Groopies may remember a now "retired" Grooper named Unirabbit from Florida. Tracy called me the day of the attack on my cell phone and left ths message: "Larry, I know you must be okay because I know you don't work anywhere near there, but PLEASE call us as soon as you get this, because Trish (her 12-year old daughter, one of the two we call the Unibunnies) is hysterical and is sure you're dead. Please call and comfort her!!!" Well, of course I called right away, but that was the first time I thought about it and realized that if you didn't know New York, the devistation depicted on TV made it look like the whole city was destroyed. ===== -Larry Steller __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From scott@knyght.net Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:13:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:13:41 -0500 From: Scott scott@knyght.net Subject: [Groop]World Trade Center Here is a pic of the site from the space station... http://www.knyght.net/attack/sept11b.htm -----Original Message----- From: groop-admin@groo.com [mailto:groop-admin@groo.com]On Behalf Of Lawrence Steller Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:07 PM To: The Craills at FAL; groop@groo.com Subject: Re: [Groop]World Trade Center --- The Craills at FAL wrote: > I read Larry's email...he also > said that where he worked (MACY's) was about a block > from the Empire State > Building,...and amongst all the smoke I > saw the tip of the Empire > State Building . . . . . . . > > "A block WHICH WAY LARRY ! " came to mind... People who haven't experienced New York first-hand have a hard time understanding how immense the city is, and how HUGE some of these landmark buildings are. As close as the Empire State building may seem to be in some of those shots, it is about 3 miles away from the site of the World Trade Center Disaster. Those of you old-timer Groopers/Groopies may remember a now "retired" Grooper named Unirabbit from Florida. Tracy called me the day of the attack on my cell phone and left ths message: "Larry, I know you must be okay because I know you don't work anywhere near there, but PLEASE call us as soon as you get this, because Trish (her 12-year old daughter, one of the two we call the Unibunnies) is hysterical and is sure you're dead. Please call and comfort her!!!" Well, of course I called right away, but that was the first time I thought about it and realized that if you didn't know New York, the devistation depicted on TV made it look like the whole city was destroyed. ===== -Larry Steller __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ _______________________________________________ Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop From me@evanier.com Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:55:53 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:55:53 -0700 From: Mark Evanier me@evanier.com Subject: [groop] Question for M.E. On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:53:14 -0400, "Jason Roberts" wrote: >After tuesdays events, and new fear of flying, Do you and Sergio plan to >make different plans than flying to different cities and such for >conventions and other travels? ME: Nope. I actually go to very few conventions these days. I usually attend the San Diego Con (which I drive to) and one other per year. The only other places I fly are New York and Las Vegas. I was in New York in June and hadn't planned to go back for a while. And Vegas is only an hour flight, so it's unlikely to be a route that would have any problems. But I'm not changing my travel habits because of Tuesday and I don't think Sergio is, either. ------------------------------ NOW ONLINE: www.POVonline.com A website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg and other stuff. From grossfam@olywa.net Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:34:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:34:52 -0700 From: Gary Grossmann grossfam@olywa.net Subject: [Groop]Thought for the Day Hi Folks! I will be glad when I feel like getting back to Grope silliness, but I'm not there yet. Anew: I agree with the folks who say this was an attack on our culture, which the terrorists believe to be evil and morally bankrupt. (Never mind that despite its many flaws our culture is responsible for bringing more prosperity and more freedom to a greater percentage of the population of the world than has ever been seen in human history.) Now typically, I don't make value judgements on another persons cultural beliefs, but since they have sort of forced my hand in that regard consider this: In their little culture, they glorify people who die killing men, women, and children indiscriminately. In our culture, we glorify people who die saving men, women, and children indiscriminately. Now, whose culture is evil and morally bankrupt? Take care all -Gary G. From 2ruben@home.com Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:57:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:57:48 -0700 From: Ruben A 2ruben@home.com Subject: [Groop]Thought for the Day Grope away Gary, grope away. Gary Grossmann wrote: >Hi Folks! > >I will be glad when I feel like getting back to Grope silliness, but I'm not >there yet. Anew: > >I agree with the folks who say this was an attack on our culture, which the >terrorists believe to be evil and morally bankrupt. (Never mind that despite >its many flaws our culture is responsible for bringing more prosperity and >more freedom to a greater percentage of the population of the world than has >ever been seen in human history.) Now typically, I don't make value >judgements on another persons cultural beliefs, but since they have sort of >forced my hand in that regard consider this: > >In their little culture, they glorify people who die killing men, women, and >children indiscriminately. >In our culture, we glorify people who die saving men, women, and children >indiscriminately. > >Now, whose culture is evil and morally bankrupt? > >Take care all -Gary G. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com >http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop > From sama@peoplepc.com Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:45:22 -0700 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:45:22 -0700 From: Samuel alexander Seymour sama@peoplepc.com Subject: [Groop]Thought for the Day Just chiming in to say thank you to all the groopers who have filled my "inbox" over the last couple of days it has been helpful to hear from people all over the country and world- As a member of the local media it has been heartwrenching to to sit in the studio 14 hours a day waiting to do SOMETHING. I think especially here on the west coast we are feeling the stress of helplessness, frustration and anger. I was thrilled to hear Colin Powell say we are gonna "Do the Groo" on those who are responceable for this and other terrorist actions but sad on the other hand because like many in the Groop the only frays I really enjoy are those drawn by SA. Best wishes to all - soon we shall laugh and play again, ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Grossmann To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: [Groop]Thought for the Day > Hi Folks! > > I will be glad when I feel like getting back to Grope silliness, but I'm not > there yet. Anew: > > I agree with the folks who say this was an attack on our culture, which the > terrorists believe to be evil and morally bankrupt. (Never mind that despite > its many flaws our culture is responsible for bringing more prosperity and > more freedom to a greater percentage of the population of the world than has > ever been seen in human history.) Now typically, I don't make value > judgements on another persons cultural beliefs, but since they have sort of > forced my hand in that regard consider this: > > In their little culture, they glorify people who die killing men, women, and > children indiscriminately. > In our culture, we glorify people who die saving men, women, and children > indiscriminately. > > Now, whose culture is evil and morally bankrupt? > > Take care all -Gary G. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop > From sheikofentropy@yahoo.com Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Lawrence Steller sheikofentropy@yahoo.com Subject: [Groop]POVonline Those of you who haven't yet had a chance to check out Mark's take on the recent tragedy would do well to check it out at: http://www.POVonline.com/ As always, his comments are uniquely insightful and cut to the heart of the matter. I doubt everyone on the list will agree with everything he says; I seem to think most will, not because he's Our Mark Evanier but because he's right on the money. Thanks, Mark, for your candor. The only thing I do disagree with (if disagree is the right thought) is that your columns are NEVER as simplistic as "Who's stronger, HULK or the THING." Of course I realize you purposely chose such an example to demonstrate that this is not the time for talk of comic books, but know that your readers would never expect anything less of you!!! ===== -Larry Steller __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From mark@6thebrownhouse.freeserve.co.uk Mon, 17 Sep 2001 04:27:26 +0100 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 04:27:26 +0100 From: Mark Brown mark@6thebrownhouse.freeserve.co.uk Subject: [Groop]New York This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0145_01C13F31.0E4784C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I haven't been able to get on line for a while - so my apologies for = this being a bit late. Everyone I have spoken to here in Britain has been truly devastated by = recent events and even though there is a large body of water between us, = our thoughts are with with you. Here in London we have lived in the = shadow of bombings by the IRA for as long as I can remember - but = nothing we have suffered can compare to the scale of what happened on = Tuesday. =20 Every time I look at a paper or the TV News, it just doesn't seem real. = Eleven years ago I visited the States with my Mum & Dad and we have = photos of us standing on the top of the World Trade Centre. To think = that is gone... is like a dream. How can anything so vast.. so = permanent.. not be there any more ? Last weekend, Lisa (my wife) and I were talking about starting a = family.... Today she asked me if I thought this could be the start of = WW3. =20 God bless us all. Mark. ------=_NextPart_000_0145_01C13F31.0E4784C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I haven't been able to get on line for = a while - so=20 my apologies for this being a bit late.

Everyone I have spoken to here in = Britain has been=20 truly devastated by recent events and even though there is a large body = of water=20 between us, our thoughts are with with you.   Here = in London=20 we have lived in the shadow of bombings by the IRA for as long as I = can=20 remember - but nothing we have suffered can compare to the scale of = what=20 happened on Tuesday.

Every time I look at a paper or the TV = News, it=20 just doesn't seem real. Eleven years ago I visited the States with = my Mum=20 & Dad and we have photos of us standing on the top of the World = Trade=20 Centre. To think that is gone... is like a dream. How = can=20 anything so vast.. so permanent.. not be there any more ?

Last weekend, Lisa (my wife) and I were = talking=20 about starting a family.... Today she asked me if I thought = this could=20 be the start of WW3.

God bless us all.

Mark.
------=_NextPart_000_0145_01C13F31.0E4784C0-- From lawrencesteller@yahoo.com Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:36:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Steller lawrencesteller@yahoo.com Subject: [Groop]Sheik Of Entropy Hi friends. I just wanted to let you all know that, if you need to contact me privately, my new email address is lawrencesteller@yahoo.com When I first signed up for the Groo List years ago, I used as my alias AMBUSH BUG, after another humorous character I'm fond of. At some point I decided I didn't want to establish an online persona based on someone else's copyrighted character, so I reached back to my earliest Dungeons & Dragons days of the 1980s and pulled out the name of one of my favorite character creations, The Sheik Of Entropy. A wild and wacky dude, to say the least, he was a chaotic neutral wizard who enjoyed stirring up trouble and basically being loony. It occurred to me last Wednesday night when I was reading that initial outpouring of love from you all (of which I once again thank you from the bottom of my heart!!!) that perhaps celebrating chaos as a fun and frivolous lifestyle, and linking chaos to an Arabic title, no longer seemed particularly funny to me. This in no way reflects a change in my attitude towards Arabs, by the way. Read my post called "Just A New Yorker" if you want my full rant about tolerance and love. So, to wrap this up, sorry about being melodramatic, but it's time to put the moniker Sheik Of Entropy to rest, and just be plain old Larry Steller. We'll talk more, but I may just lurk for a while!!! Love and gratitude, Larry Steller __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From mightyhero@yahoo.com Mon, 17 Sep 2001 02:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 02:08:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Chun mightyhero@yahoo.com Subject: [Groop]WTC Hi guys/grrls! Gary wrote: >Just got back from helping to set up my new >daughter-in-law at college. Drove 2300 miles >and haven't slept in two days. Driving without enough sleep is too dangerous! It's not worth the risk. A philosopher named Bill Watterson once wrote "Be careful or be roadkill." This applies to both drivers and chickens crossing the road. (Incidentally, "Calvin and Hobbes" was named after two philosophers.) Greg wrote: >Larry - you out there buddy ? - send me an >email so I know that you are ok, I remembered that Larry works at Macy's, since he was the grandmaster of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. Since he working at Macy's, he must not be in the WTC. As a result, he must be o.k. Anyway, this was my logical/illogical thinking. Glad everyone on the mailing list is o.k. Larry wrote: >"Who's stronger, HULK or the THING." The Hulk. Albert Moy, an art dealer who you may have seen at Wondercon and San Diego Comic Con, posted one of the most amazing stories regard- ing the WTC tragedy to the Comicart-L mailing list: >Thanks for all your concerns, I'm OK. I work >in Queens so all I saw was smoke. My wife >works in Manhattan and saw all the panic, it >took her 6 hours to get home. I have four >relatives that works at the World Trade Center, >two were late for work and saw the plane hit >and ran for home, the other was in Bldg. #7 >and he got out OK, but the last one was in >Bldg. #2 and she ran out of her office when >Bldg. #1 was hit. Her bosses and the >announcement over the speaker told everyone >to get back in their offices and to stay there. >She booked and took the stairs, she was on the >83rd floor. When she hit the 72nd floor, >that's when the plane hit Bldg. #2. The heat >from the crash, she thinks two floors above >her, was so strong it gave her 2nd to 3rd >degree burns to about 17% of her body. When >she made it out, she got in an ambulance and >took off, about 2 min. later she said the >building collapsed. She fine but in a lot of >pain. She told me that when she was going >down the stairs people were return to work >because of the announcement, and many of her >coworkers stayed behind when the boss said to >stay. Thank God she's stubborn and didn't >listen. Perhaps more people could have been saved if there weren't announcements over the loud- speakers, saying that there was no danger. Both buildings had these announcements. Sergio is listed as a guest for next year's MegaCon in Orlando, Florida. Feb. 22-24, 2002. http://www.mega-con.com See you. Eric __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From grossfam@olywa.net Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:20:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:20:36 -0700 From: Gary Grossmann grossfam@olywa.net Subject: [Groop]Thought for the Day I was talking about the culture (subculture?) of religious fundamentalists who think one path to heaven is to kill yourself while killing other people whose only "crime" is to be part of a culture you despise and believe to be evil. Please note that in an earlier message I also said that the wackos who committed the atrocities are as representative of the billion plus followers of Islam as the members of the Arian Nation are representative of most white American males. The only broad stroke stereotyping I intended was to stereotype as evil people who carry out or support indiscriminate slaughter of other human beings. In this case, it's a sliver group who tie their beliefs to Islam. It could just as easily have been a sliver group who tie their beliefs to Christianity or some other religion. I apologize for not making that lear. -Gary G. > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Slaubaugh" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:12 AM > Subject: Re: [Groop]Thought for the Day > Gary, > This is a surprisingly broad stroke stereotyping that I didn't expect from you. > What "culture" are you defining in your post? Arabics, Muslims?......... From were.ralph@virgin.net Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:08:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:08:19 +0100 From: Ralph Plowman were.ralph@virgin.net Subject: [Groop]NY Groopers Does anyone know if Nate Urinetoast is ok? Doesn't he live in NY? I don't recall seeing him mentioned yet. Ralph From chadmriden@yahoo.com Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:32:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad Riden chadmriden@yahoo.com Subject: [Groop]NY Groopers --- Ralph Plowman wrote: > Does anyone know if Nate Urinetoast is ok? > Doesn't he live in NY? I believe he lives in RI. Try his message board on the Blambot page: http://www.piekosarts.com/ ===== Chad M. Riden ICQ # 9922135 HonestToGodThisIsTheBestEmailAddressAliasICouldComeUpWith@chadmriden.com http://www.chadmriden.com/ - newly redesigned crap. http://www.mangyk9.com/ - funny crap. http://go.to/skeletoncrew/ - improvisational funny crap. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From schechnr@flash.net Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:26:17 -0600 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:26:17 -0600 From: Chris Schechner schechnr@flash.net Subject: [Groop]NY Groopers >--- Ralph Plowman wrote: >> Does anyone know if Nate Urinetoast is ok? >> Doesn't he live in NY? > >I believe he lives in RI. Nate is definitely in Rhode Island. What about Ari Sudlovsky? Chris From grossfam@olywa.net Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:31:05 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:31:05 -0700 From: Gary Grossmann grossfam@olywa.net Subject: [Groop]NY Groopers Yeah!?!? -Gary G. > > Nate is definitely in Rhode Island. What about Ari Sudlovsky? > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop > From lawrencesteller@yahoo.com Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:47:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Steller lawrencesteller@yahoo.com Subject: [Groop]NY Groopers > > Nate is definitely in Rhode Island. What about Ari > Sudlovsky? I have no idea where Ari lives; I was under the impression, of which I could be mistaken, that the only Groopers living or working in the New York Metropolitan Area were myself, TGD and Said Azim, who has either been lurking or off-list for quite some time. I suspect he's off list, as it's been quite a while. I pray that he's okay! There are likely others who either lurk or just don't talk about where they're from. It's odd to actually be hoping that no one else lives near me!!! __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From grossfam@olywa.net Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:51:50 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:51:50 -0700 From: Gary Grossmann grossfam@olywa.net Subject: [Groop]NY Groopers It's quite possible that he's in the section of Manhattan that hasn't had power fully restored even though he & his are intact. -Gary G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schechner" To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Groop]NY Groopers > >--- Ralph Plowman wrote: > >> Does anyone know if Nate Urinetoast is ok? > >> Doesn't he live in NY? > > > >I believe he lives in RI. > > Nate is definitely in Rhode Island. What about Ari Sudlovsky? > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop > From mulch3@hotmail.com Tue, 18 Sep 2001 02:18:55 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 02:18:55 From: Finn Smith mulch3@hotmail.com Subject: [Groop]WTC Groop: I know it's early, but if anybody else thinks they might be able to attend this convention in Orlando, let me know. (I live in Orlando). We can all wear those most excellent "Did I Err?" T-shirts and congregate like the mendicants we are. . . Mark, are you planning on attending this one? finn > >Sergio is listed as a guest for next year's >MegaCon in Orlando, Florida. Feb. 22-24, 2002. >http://www.mega-con.com > >See you. > >Eric _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From grossfam@olywa.net Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:54:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:54:13 -0700 From: Gary Grossmann grossfam@olywa.net Subject: [Groop]Ariel S. OK, just figured out that Ariel Sudilovsky is from Cleveland, not NYC. However, his e-mail is down. Said has been off the Groop so long, I can't find his old e-mail. -Gary G. From book@netcourrier.com Tue, 18 Sep 2001 23:58:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 23:58:36 +0200 (CEST) From: book@netcourrier.com book@netcourrier.com Subject: [Groop]Ariel S. On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Gary Grossmann wrote: > OK, just figured out that Ariel Sudilovsky is from Cleveland, not NYC. > However, his e-mail is down. Said has been off the Groop so long, I can't > find his old e-mail. -Gary G. With grep and grepmail, I found the following addresses : fuchikaka@hotmail.com - 1998, 1999 saad_azim@metallica.com - 1999 Hope this helps, -- Philippe "BooK" Bruhat When you run from your problem, you make it that much harder for good fortune to catch you, as well. (Moral from Groo The Wanderer #14 (Epic)) From 2ruben@home.com Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:57:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:57:58 -0700 From: Ruben A 2ruben@home.com Subject: [Groop]Ernie Coombs RIP I know it's not quite comic-book related, but Ernie Coombs, Canada's beloved "Mr. Dressup" died earlier today following a stroke he had last week. I have many, many fond memories watching Mr. Dressup as a child, and even as a not-so-child. He had retired in 1992, along with his pals Casey and Finnagen, after about 4,000 episodes. http://home-news.excite.ca/news/cp/010918/14/ernie-coombs-beloved From clefworks@hotmail.com Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:36:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:36:01 -0400 From: * BassClef * clefworks@hotmail.com Subject: [Groop]NY Groopers

Hello Groop,

I'm a longtime lurker/occasional poster/constant misspeller, and I work in a highrise in times square NYC. I am OK, but our city is still recovering. I have not gathered up the strength to go down to the disaster site yet. My office was evacuated last week tues-fri what with bomb scares and the original threat. Business is somewhat back to normal, but I am getting paranoid about what may happen when we retaliate. Supposedly it is hard to find a store that still has any gas masks left, and I don't want to get people unduly riled, but things here are still tense as we are at war. The city has really unified and it is obvious wherever you go. People have been much more polite in general, and there is a strong sense of togetherness here as I assume there is all over the country and beyond. We will overcome this tragedy and heal stronger than we were. The Towers will be rebuilt in some way, and I have heard that ! the new antenna will be in the shape of a middle finger, and you can guess which way it will be pointing. Thanks for all of your kind words.

From,

Anil

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>It's quite possible that he's in the section of Manhattan that hasn't had
>power fully restored even though he & his are intact. -Gary G.
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> > >--- Ralph Plowman wrote:
> > >> Does anyone know if Nate Urinetoast is ok?
> > >> Doesn't he live in NY?
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> > >I believe he lives in RI.
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> > Nate is definitely in Rhode Island. What about Ari Sudlovsky?
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From schechnr@flash.net Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:55:20 -0600 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:55:20 -0600 From: Chris Schechner schechnr@flash.net Subject: [Groop]NY Groopers Anil, Great to hear you are well. I hope that we will hear from all the NY groopsters in time (preferably a *short* time) and know they are well. We don't even know *who* lives in NY! Chris > > >Hello Groop, > > > >I'm a longtime lurker/occasional poster/constant misspeller, and I work in >a highrise in times square NYC. I am OK, but our city is still >recovering. I have not gathered up the strength to go down to the >disaster site yet. My office was evacuated last week tues-fri what with >bomb scares and the original threat. Business is somewhat back to normal, >but I am getting paranoid about what may happen when we retaliate. >Supposedly it is hard to find a store that still has any gas masks left, >and I don't want to get people unduly riled, but things here are still >tense as we are at war. The city has really unified and it is obvious >wherever you go. People have been much more polite in general, and there >is a strong sense of togetherness here as I assume there is all over the >country and beyond. We will overcome this tragedy and heal stronger than >we were. The Towers will be rebuilt in some way, and I have heard that ! >the new antenna will be in the shape of a middle finger, and you can guess >which way it will be pointing. Thanks for all of your kind words. > > > > > > > >From, > > > >Anil From lawrencesteller@yahoo.com Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Steller lawrencesteller@yahoo.com Subject: [Groop]NY Groopers --- * BassClef * wrote: I'm a longtime lurker/occasional poster/constant misspeller, and I work in a highrise in times square NYC.; I am OK, but our city is still recovering... Yeah! Another New Yorker! I hope all of your family and friends have made it through okay. One sign that The City is on the road to healing is I'm starting to notice some of the City's "characters" again. You ever see that skinny dark-skinned guy who dresses up in a Superman costume and cowbay hat and sells watches (presumably stolen) and stuff on the street? How odd that I was so glad to see him!!! Perhaps you, TGD and I (along with any other Groo fans who might be lurking) can meet after work for a brew sometime next week? Le tme know what you think. -Larry Steller __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From lawrencesteller@yahoo.com Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:18:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Steller lawrencesteller@yahoo.com Subject: [Groop]Thanks Ruben; more on New York! Ruben wrote: >Hey Larry. Just wanted to let you know >that your comments and messages motived me >to get some people together at our office. >We collected some money to donate to the >Red Cross, and had a little candle vigil >out on the street. I'll be donating blood >sometime in the coming week too. > >Take care, >Ruben. Thanks Ruben, your compassion is truly heartfelt! With our economy currently on the decline, I think the world's blood banks have got to be reaching an all-time high!!! It's amazing the sheer variety of emergency workers I've seen in this city. On that fateful Tuesday, while searching for word on my (still missing) cousin, I was wandering in a bit of a daze when I was passed by this huge convoy of fire trucks, sirens blaring and heading downtown towards what we now call Ground Zero, with names like MERRICK, BELLMORE, MASSAPEQUA. LEVITTOWN - a real Who's Who of Long Island communities (I know, Where's Where doesn't have the same ring to it). Since Susan was from Long Island, I got relly choked up by this sight and started crying, it was like the cavalry riding in! Later I spied cops from Nassau County, Suffolk County, The Jersey Shore and Connecticut. The next day, I saw Fire Trucks from North Carolina and Police Cars from South Miami, Florida! By the end of the week, a guy on the street said he saw a Fire Truck from California!!! How could they have gotten here so quick? Imagine, driving across the entire country, FOR DAYS, just to risk their lives and help out! We've had tens of thousands of people attempting to volunteer for a handful of positions, everyone feels this driving need to do something, anything to help, and it can be frustrating to be turned away. I was lucky enough to get to volunteer my time Saturday at the Jacob Javitz Center, one of the places from which they were distributing collected supplies to the myriad emergency workers (aka Heroes of New York). I basically just collected donations that were dropped off to the cops at the barricade and sorted through them, making sure the medical supplies got inside first and everything else was sorted by type. We had mountains of flashlights, batteries, packages of brand new socks, underwear, t-shirts, jackets, a basketball, sweatshirts, dog food for the search dogs... Yeah, the basketball kind of threw me too. Anyway, the thing is, there were thousands of people who desperately wanted to, NEEDED to help out, and they got turned away; I got really lucky- it was good therapy for me, even if I was just a glorified stock boy. And we weren't allowed inside the building for security reasons. There were properly registered and vetted Red Cross or Salvation Army (my guess) volunteers handling the REAL distribution inside. There were NY State Troopers on the doors closely checking everything that went inside; when I left around 7:30 pm, most of the mountains of supplies (except medical and stuff like respirators, flashlights and batteries) we sorted were still stacked up outside; they couldn't get clearance to bring it inside from the kahunas running the show. My guess is the bulk of that stuff donated will be (or already was) redistributed to the homeless, elderly or other deserving charities. I wonder who got the basketball? ===== -Larry Steller New York, New York __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From jabrooks@hotmail.com Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:24:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:24:15 -0400 From: Jared Brooks jabrooks@hotmail.com Subject: [Groop]Ebay Groo Cover I was looking up Groo on Ebay and i came across a Groo Original Cover (selling for $750!!??!!). I have never before come across any original artwork from the comics and always assumed Sergio did not sell any (though the amount of comics done over the years would have lead to a ton of pages). I was wondering if one of you could put in perspective how rare this item is. Thanks, Jared _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From BamberJ.railtrack@ems.rail.co.uk Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:40:29 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:40:29 +0100 From: Bamber John BamberJ.railtrack@ems.rail.co.uk Subject: [Groop]Ebay Groo Cover Hi Jared, I've been on the list for a while and thought I'd break my duck (sorry lame British cricket expression). Often on ebay there are sketches by Sergio for sale and every now and again a page from MAD or Groo. The pages themselves are rare but to see a cover is even more so. I have only once before seen a cover for sale and I was too late to buy it when I got the dealer site. If you've got the cash and wanted it then I'd say go for it as not many chances like this come around. Plus if it's a good cover with Groo and Rufferto then I don't think $750 is too bad either. Cheers John in London. -----Original Message----- From: Jared Brooks [mailto:jabrooks@hotmail.com] Sent: 21 September 2001 15:24 To: groop@groo.com Subject: [Groop]Ebay Groo Cover I was looking up Groo on Ebay and i came across a Groo Original Cover (selling for $750!!??!!). I have never before come across any original artwork from the comics and always assumed Sergio did not sell any (though the amount of comics done over the years would have lead to a ton of pages). I was wondering if one of you could put in perspective how rare this item is. Thanks, Jared _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________________ Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop -------------------- Disclaimer -------------------- The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient. Nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not made on behalf of a Railtrack Group company. ---------------------------------------------------- From sac@foolarchy.com Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:10:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:10:06 -0700 From: Shane Clarke sac@foolarchy.com Subject: [Groop]Ebay Groo Cover There might even be more story to this specific original cover. Maybe. Gary is all knowing. ~Shane -----Original Message----- From: groop-admin@groo.com [mailto:groop-admin@groo.com]On Behalf Of Bamber John Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:40 AM To: 'groop@groo.com' Subject: RE: [Groop]Ebay Groo Cover Hi Jared, I've been on the list for a while and thought I'd break my duck (sorry lame British cricket expression). Often on ebay there are sketches by Sergio for sale and every now and again a page from MAD or Groo. The pages themselves are rare but to see a cover is even more so. I have only once before seen a cover for sale and I was too late to buy it when I got the dealer site. If you've got the cash and wanted it then I'd say go for it as not many chances like this come around. Plus if it's a good cover with Groo and Rufferto then I don't think $750 is too bad either. Cheers John in London. -----Original Message----- From: Jared Brooks [mailto:jabrooks@hotmail.com] Sent: 21 September 2001 15:24 To: groop@groo.com Subject: [Groop]Ebay Groo Cover I was looking up Groo on Ebay and i came across a Groo Original Cover (selling for $750!!??!!). I have never before come across any original artwork from the comics and always assumed Sergio did not sell any (though the amount of comics done over the years would have lead to a ton of pages). I was wondering if one of you could put in perspective how rare this item is. Thanks, Jared _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________________ Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop -------------------- Disclaimer -------------------- The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient. Nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not made on behalf of a Railtrack Group company. ---------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop From grossfam@olywa.net Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:46:07 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:46:07 -0700 From: Gary Grossmann grossfam@olywa.net Subject: [Groop]Ebay Groo Cover Hi Folks! Well, I'm not all knowing, but here is the basic scooby-doo on original cover art and pages. To the best of my knowledge, Sergio has not sold any covers or pages from Pacific, Eclipse, or Epic/Marvel. However, he sells pages of Image & Dark Horse Groos at conventions, sold them through art agent Mark Cohen before Mark died, and sells them to at least one cartoon art dealer. That gentleman's name is Carsten Lagua and he is based in Germany and has a catalogue that includes many other artists, such as Walt Kelly. He has purchased a number of covers and pages over the last few years and occasionally puts them on ebay. I am 99% sure that Carsten was the original purchaser of the Image cover that's currently on ebay. He typically charges $650-$750 for a cover so the current seller's price is probably cost and he is hoping the bidding goes up. I think a couple other covers went for over $1,000 last year. $750 is just too much for me, but if I was going to buy one it would be something particularly cool, such as cover #2 & #3 of "Mightier Than The Sword" -Gary G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Clarke" To: Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 8:10 AM Subject: RE: [Groop]Ebay Groo Cover > There might even be more story to this specific original cover. Maybe. Gary > is all knowing. > > ~Shane > > -----Original Message----- > From: groop-admin@groo.com [mailto:groop-admin@groo.com]On Behalf Of > Bamber John > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:40 AM > To: 'groop@groo.com' > Subject: RE: [Groop]Ebay Groo Cover > > > Hi Jared, > > I've been on the list for a while and thought I'd break my duck (sorry lame > British cricket expression). Often on ebay there are sketches by Sergio for > sale and every now and again a page from MAD or Groo. The pages themselves > are rare but to see a cover is even more so. I have only once before seen a > cover for sale and I was too late to buy it when I got the dealer site. > > If you've got the cash and wanted it then I'd say go for it as not many > chances like this come around. Plus if it's a good cover with Groo and > Rufferto then I don't think $750 is too bad either. > > Cheers > > John in London. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jared Brooks [mailto:jabrooks@hotmail.com] > Sent: 21 September 2001 15:24 > To: groop@groo.com > Subject: [Groop]Ebay Groo Cover > > > I was looking up Groo on Ebay and i came across a Groo Original Cover > (selling for $750!!??!!). I have never before come across any original > artwork from the comics and always assumed Sergio did not sell any (though > the amount of comics done over the years would have lead to a ton of pages). > I was wondering if one of you could put in perspective how rare this item > is. > Thanks, > Jared > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop > > > -------------------- Disclaimer -------------------- > The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also > be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. > > This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended > recipient. Nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an > original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake > please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any > copies from your system. > > Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the > sender's own and not made on behalf of a Railtrack Group company. > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop > > > _______________________________________________ > Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop From brucesenkpiel@hotmail.com Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:14:44 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:14:44 -0400 From: Bruce Senkpiel brucesenkpiel@hotmail.com Subject: [Groop]Groo model kit ripoff Just a note to let Mark Evanier or Gary know that one of the Groo model kits that infringes Sergio Aragones' Groo copyright is selling on ebay (Item # 1641355123 Arne Gerde Groo Resin Statue). I think someone mentioned that it's pretty easy to prevent such a copyright infringement on ebay. Bruce _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From grossfam@olywa.net Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:13:24 -0700 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:13:24 -0700 From: Gary Grossmann grossfam@olywa.net Subject: [Groop]Groo model kit ripoff I notified Mark about it last night. I'm not sure there is anything to do if it's just a guy who bought it from the manufacturer or a retailer and is now unloading it. On the other hand, if you sell stuff on ebay, you are a retailer. Mark will know what's appropriate to do. I'm just one of us, although perhaps somewhat more deranged. -Gary G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Senkpiel" To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: [Groop]Groo model kit ripoff > Just a note to let Mark Evanier or Gary know that one of the Groo model kits > that infringes Sergio Aragones' Groo copyright is selling on ebay (Item # > 1641355123 Arne Gerde Groo Resin Statue). I think someone mentioned that > it's pretty easy to prevent such a copyright infringement on ebay. > > Bruce > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop > From me@evanier.com Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:14:33 -0700 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:14:33 -0700 From: Mark Evanier me@evanier.com Subject: [Groop]Groo model kit ripoff On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:13:24 -0700, "Gary Grossmann" wrote: >I notified Mark about it last night. I'm not sure there is anything to do >if it's just a guy who bought it from the manufacturer or a retailer and is >now unloading it. On the other hand, if you sell stuff on ebay, you are a >retailer. Mark will know what's appropriate to do. I'm just one of us, >although perhaps somewhat more deranged. ME: I'm handling it, thanks. ------------------------------ NOW ONLINE: www.POVonline.com A website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg and other stuff. From azamin7@pd.jaring.my Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:47:44 +0800 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:47:44 +0800 From: Azamin Cantona azamin7@pd.jaring.my Subject: [Groop]American flag For those who want to buy US flags, you can go to this URL. http://store.yahoo.com/emailshoppingnetwork/americanflag2.html 10% of the sales goes to the American Red Cross. From sama@peoplepc.com 27 Sep 2001 06:14:38 -0700 Date: 27 Sep 2001 06:14:38 -0700 From: CURTIS SEYMOUR sama@peoplepc.com Subject: [Groop]alterntive brainfood I dont know about the rest of the groop but my brain hurts from the last two weeks of maddness.I am currently searching for some suggestions on audio/visual input of the more lighthearted and non-violent nature. My most recent discovery, which had me laughing heartly, was the DVD edtion of Henson's "Muppets from Space" the directors comentary was really funny -it lampoons other director/actor comentary and was just plain entertaining. Anyone else have suggestions for found solace in the simple? ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From schechnr@flash.net Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:30:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:30:45 -0500 From: Chris Schechner schechnr@flash.net Subject: [Groop]alterntive brainfood Four movies that never fail to lighten my mood: A Night at the Opera (or ANY Marx brothers movie) Monty Python and the Holy Grail Pee Wee's Big Adventure The Wrong Trousers Also, in a very gentle vein, try to find the animated series of Wind in the Willows by Cosgrove and somebody else I can't remember. It's British and claymation and really very well written... very true to the book. Explore the child in you! Chris >I dont know about the rest of the groop but my brain hurts from the last >two weeks of maddness.I am currently searching for some suggestions on >audio/visual input of the more lighthearted and non-violent nature. My >most recent discovery, which had me laughing heartly, was the DVD edtion >of Henson's "Muppets from Space" the directors comentary was really funny >-it lampoons other director/actor comentary and was just plain >entertaining. Anyone else have suggestions for found solace in the simple? From chadmriden@yahoo.com Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:12:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad Riden chadmriden@yahoo.com Subject: [Groop]alterntive brainfood --- Chris Schechner wrote: > Four movies that never fail to lighten my mood: > > A Night at the Opera (or ANY Marx brothers movie) I'd suggest Duck Soup.. and the Marx bro's articles on http://www.POVonline.com/ (plug, plug, plug).. > Monty Python and the Holy Grail ya know, they've re-released this with "23 seconds of additional footage" (i think that's the tag line).. i've seen it countless times, but to go see it in the theater with improved sound and a few added things (most noticably in castle Antharax, if I remember correctly) was great fun. I'd also tell ya to try to find copies of episodes of "Mr. Show" (HBO), go to http://www.johnnycarson.com/ and http://www.cbs.com/lateshow/ (then click on "Dave TV"), and finally to go to http://www.MangyK9.com/ and http://www.ChadMRiden.com/ (don't know anything about those, but I hear they're kinda funny or something). ===== Chad M. Riden ICQ # 9922135 http://www.ChadMRiden.com/ - crap. http://www.MangyK9.com/ - funny crap. http://go.to/skeletoncrew/ - improvisational funny crap. http://www.NashvilleStandup.com/ - professionally funny crap. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com From Pengyfelix@aol.com Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:42:25 EDT Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:42:25 EDT From: Pengyfelix@aol.com Pengyfelix@aol.com Subject: [Groop]alterntive brainfood --part1_40.11ec7e1c.28e50551_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you get digital TV, Fox Family Channel is running two half-hour episodes of Garfield and Friends every day, one at 12:30 and another at 2 p.m. Lorenzo Music is good for taking one back a few years and into an alternate dimension where the biggest problems are Orson's brothers and running out of lasagna. Felling a little more like Wade the Duck than usual, Janet Toledo Groopie/r #2 In a message dated 9/27/2001 8:15:15 AM Central Daylight Time, sama@peoplepc.com writes: > I dont know about the rest of the groop but my brain hurts from the last two > weeks of maddness.I am currently searching for some suggestions on > audio/visual input of the more lighthearted and non-violent nature. My most > recent discovery, which had me laughing heartly, was the DVD edtion of > Henson's "Muppets from Space" the directors comentary was really funny -it > lampoons other director/actor comentary and was just plain entertaining. > Anyone else have suggestions for found solace in the simple? --part1_40.11ec7e1c.28e50551_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you get digital TV, Fox Family Channel is running two half-hour episodes of Garfield and Friends every day, one at 12:30 and another at 2 p.m. Lorenzo Music is good for taking one back a few years and into an alternate dimension where the biggest problems are Orson's brothers and running out of lasagna.

Felling a little more like Wade the Duck than usual,
Janet
Toledo Groopie/r #2

In a message dated 9/27/2001 8:15:15 AM Central Daylight Time, sama@peoplepc.com writes:

I dont know about the rest of the groop but my brain hurts from the last two weeks of maddness.I am currently searching for some suggestions on audio/visual input of the more lighthearted and non-violent nature. My most recent discovery, which had me laughing heartly, was the DVD edtion of Henson's "Muppets from Space" the directors comentary was really funny -it lampoons other director/actor comentary and was just plain entertaining. Anyone else have suggestions for found solace in the simple?

--part1_40.11ec7e1c.28e50551_boundary-- From MisterElie@aol.com Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:36:24 EDT Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:36:24 EDT From: MisterElie@aol.com MisterElie@aol.com Subject: [Groop]alterntive brainfood --part1_11e.509f1e4.28e52008_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On that note, any of the Jerry Zucker/Jim Abrahms movie commentaries on DVD are also just as funny as their movies. By those I mean the Naked Gun movies and Kentucky Fried Movie. I'm sure Airplane I and II are also just as funny, but I don't have those yet. Elie In a message dated 9/27/2001 8:15:15 AM Central Daylight Time, sama@peoplepc.com writes: > Subj:[Groop]alterntive brainfood > Date:9/27/2001 8:15:15 AM Central Daylight Time > From: sama@peoplepc.com (CURTIS SEYMOUR) > Sender: groop-admin@groo.com > To: groop@groo.com > > > > > I dont know about the rest of the groop but my brain hurts from the last > two weeks of maddness.I am currently searching for some suggestions on > audio/visual input of the more lighthearted and non-violent nature. My most > recent discovery, which had me laughing heartly, was the DVD edtion of > Henson's "Muppets from Space" the directors comentary was really funny -it > lampoons other director/actor comentary and was just plain entertaining. > Anyone else have suggestions for found solace in the simple? > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > > _______________________________________________ > Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (rly-xb05.mail.aol.com > [172.20.105.106]) by air-xb02.mail.aol.com (v80.17) with ESMTP id > MAILINXB21-0927091514; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:15:14 -0400 > Received: from destro.newdream.net (destro.newdream.net [207.155.21.2]) by > rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (v80.21) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXB54-0927091455; Thu, > 27 Sep 2001 09:14:55 -0400 > Received: from destro.newdream.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by destro.newdream.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA11330; > Thu, 27 Sep 2001 06:14:48 -0700 > Received: from gollum.dreamhost.com (gollum.dreamhost.com [216.240.148.28]) > by destro.newdream.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA11304 > for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 06:14:46 -0700 > Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) > by gollum.dreamhost.com (8.11.4/8.11.4/Debian 8.11.0) with SMTP id > f8RDEku24691 > for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 06:14:46 -0700 > Received: (cpmta 12752 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 06:14:38 -0700 > Date: 27 Sep 2001 06:14:38 -0700 > Message-ID: <20010927131438.12751.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> > X-Sent: 27 Sep 2001 13:14:38 GMT > Received: from [64.218.40.7] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; > 27 Sep 2001 06:14:38 PDT > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Disposition: inline > Mime-Version: 1.0 > To: groop@groo.com > From: CURTIS SEYMOUR > X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 > X-Sent-From: sama@peoplepc.com > Subject: [Groop]alterntive brainfood > Sender: groop-admin@groo.com > Errors-To: groop-admin@groo.com > X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 > Precedence: bulk > List-Id: The Groo Discussion List > X-BeenThere: groop@groo.com > > > --part1_11e.509f1e4.28e52008_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On that note, any of the Jerry Zucker/Jim Abrahms movie commentaries on DVD are also just as funny as their movies. By those I mean the Naked Gun movies and Kentucky Fried Movie. I'm sure Airplane I and II are also just as funny, but I don't have those yet.

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I dont know about the rest of the groop but my brain hurts from the last two weeks of maddness.I am currently searching for some suggestions on audio/visual input of the more lighthearted and non-violent nature. My most recent discovery, which had me laughing heartly, was the DVD edtion of Henson's "Muppets from Space" the directors comentary was really funny -it lampoons other director/actor comentary and was just plain entertaining. Anyone else have suggestions for found solace in the simple?

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--part1_11e.509f1e4.28e52008_boundary-- From azamin7@pd.jaring.my Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:08:44 +0800 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:08:44 +0800 From: Azamin Zainol Abidin azamin7@pd.jaring.my Subject: [Groop]a Grooish thing No-show voter in remote Sarawak peeves election commission 11:57pm, Thu: (AFP) The election commission deployed a helicopter and spent thousands of ringgit so the only registered voter in a remote area could cast his ballot in Sarawak state elections - but he failed to turn up, the official Bernama news agency reported today. The election commission sent a mobile team by air to Long Luar, in the Belaga constituency in Sarawak, where they set up a polling station for a scheduled hour between 7.30 and 8.30 am. They waited, but there was no sign of the unnamed voter, who apparently had better things to do in the jungles and hills surrounding his home. The election commission spent almost RM70,000 ringgit to fulfill the democratic ideal of a ballot for all, Bernama said. Apart from the lazy Long Luar voter the elections went ahead smoothly, Bernama said, particularly as a timely high tide in riverine areas facilitated early polling. Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad's ruling Barisan Nasional coalition is widely tipped for an overwhelming victory in Sarawak. From misterclaw@hotmail.com Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:51:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:51:16 -0400 From: Aaron Weller misterclaw@hotmail.com Subject: [Groop]finding groo trading cards
I'm new to the groop so I thought I'd just say hello to everyone and ask a question at the same time. Does anyone know of a place I can get the old Groo trading cards? I really want to get some since I missed them when they came out

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From Bodhikt@aol.com Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:20:01 EDT Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:20:01 EDT From: Bodhikt@aol.com Bodhikt@aol.com Subject: [Groop]finding groo trading cards --part1_40.11f327aa.28e5d301_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/27/01 9:51:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, misterclaw@hotmail.com writes: > Does anyone know of a place I can get the old Groo trading cards? I really > want to get some since I missed them when they came out Sergio had what he called his "last set" at Comic Con-- priced at $75. Perhaps there may be a way to "mail order" this set, if it hasn't been sold already. Kaytee --part1_40.11f327aa.28e5d301_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/27/01 9:51:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, misterclaw@hotmail.com writes:

Does anyone know of a place I can get the old Groo trading cards? I really want to get some since I missed them when they came out

Sergio had what he called his "last set" at Comic Con-- priced at $75. Perhaps there may be a way to "mail order" this set, if it hasn't been sold already.

Kaytee --part1_40.11f327aa.28e5d301_boundary-- From cankuhn@hotmail.com Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:15:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:15:02 +0000 From: Steve Kuhn cankuhn@hotmail.com Subject: [Groop]Re: finding groo trading cards plus a bunch of other stuff

I don't post here much usually just lurk. I have a day off today so if you got the time to read my ramblings here I go.

RE: groo cards. The only place I ever saw the cards were at sergio signing booth at san diego comic con. Over the years of going to the con I bought enough boxes to obtain all of the chase cards then I stopped buying them. I also completed a few sets, thanks to Mark, and now have 7 sets and would be more than happy to trade you for a set. Let me know what you got and we'll set something up.

RE: movies for Groo's who like funny movies here are some of my favorites: This is Spinal Tap on DVD is great. They've included about an hour and a half of extra footage, and the commentary on the movie is as funny as the movie. Dogma is one of my favorites, I haven't got the DVD yet but I hear it has a lot of extra's. "Best of Show" and "Waiting for Guffman" are very funny. They are done in spoof documentary style. And for one of my favorites: "A Nightmare Before Christmas" not extremely funny but wonderful to look at a! nd some great songs, Danny Elfman is the one singing the Jack parts and he is my all time favorite. He was lead singer for Oingo Boingo and has wrote the film scores to many of my other favorite movies.

RE: this years San Diego Comic Con. It happened a while ago, but this is what I did: This was the 2nd year I went for all 4 days. This year I met Gary and got a "Did I Err" shirt from him and got to hear some gary stories, he is my hero next to sergio and groo of course. Tip if you ever get one of those shirts and want Sergio to draw a sketch on it bring your own sharpie, it ruins the pen he uses to autograph comics with. I hung around Sergio's table for a while, long enough to meet is lovely daughter and hear some Sergio stories. Meet Larry and was with him when he purchased the original panels for many bucks. I went to the groo panel, funny story, I didn't want to wear my newly signed "Did I Err" shirt so right before the panel I changed into the shirt and left my badge, the one you need to go any where at comic con, in the bathroom and didn't realize it until 5 minutes into the groo panel, went back to the bathroom and ther! e it was right where I left it, rather grooish of me. Anyway after the panel I got Tom and Stan to sign my hard cover book of the "Groo Chronicles" that I had purchased many years ago that was signed by Sergio and Mark and numbered. The other none groo stuff I did was go to the Kevin Smith Panel, wrote and directed Clerks, Chasing Amy, Mall Rats, Dogma, Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back. He talked for about 3 hours and was very funny, Jay Muse the one who plays Jay, was also there but just sat there with not much to say Saw the cartoon Futurama episode that fox wouldn't air because of its violence, violent but very funny. Also obtained the two missing Mad Magazines that have slipped through my fingers and now have a complete Mad Magazine collection from #1 to the present, yea for me. Overall a wonderful place to be for 4 days.

RE: other stuff. I pre order the Life and Death of Groo hard back and am waiting very patiently for it. Gary have you heard anything? Also waiting patiently for the next groo series "Death and Taxes" Mark any news on when that is coming out?

Well if you made through the end I thank you for reading all of my ramblings. I'll go back to being a lurker now. Keep writing it nice to read about the going ons each day.

In Groo, Sergio, The Groop, and Gary I Trust,

Proud to be an American,

Steve

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From mulch3@hotmail.com Sat, 29 Sep 2001 03:03:07 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 03:03:07 From: Finn Smith mulch3@hotmail.com Subject: [Groop]Re: finding groo trading cards plus a bunch of other stuff This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_30fb_200a_2361 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I, too, preordered the limited edition Life/Death of Groo last year and I have since cancelled the order. When (and if) it actually makes it onto comic store shelves, I'll purchase it. I have to admit, it was a bit scary when Mark said he and Sergio had not been contacted to sign the copies, etc. so I had the store credit my credit card for the preorder- finn _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------=_NextPart_000_30fb_200a_2361 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from [207.155.21.2] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD7E2554009040043763CF9B15020B8E1; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:15:27 -0700 Received: from destro.newdream.net (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by destro.newdream.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA14443; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:15:16 -0700 Received: from dot.dreamhost.com (dot.dreamhost.com [216.240.131.10]) by destro.newdream.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA14406 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:15:08 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f172.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.172]) by dot.dreamhost.com (8.12.0.Beta7/8.12.0.Beta7/Debian 8.12.0.Beta7-1) with ESMTP id f8SKF8Zb007579 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:15:08 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:15:02 -0700 Received: from 63.208.236.6 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:15:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.208.236.6] From: "Steve Kuhn" To: groop@groo.com Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:15:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2001 20:15:02.0858 (UTC) FILETIME=[41A392A0:01C1485A] Subject: [Groop]Re: finding groo trading cards plus a bunch of other stuff Sender: groop-admin@groo.com Errors-To: groop-admin@groo.com X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: The Groo Discussion List X-BeenThere: groop@groo.com

I don't post here much usually just lurk. I have a day off today so if you got the time to read my ramblings here I go.

RE: groo cards. The only place I ever saw the cards were at sergio signing booth at san diego comic con. Over the years of going to the con I bought enough boxes to obtain all of the chase cards then I stopped buying them. I also completed a few sets, thanks to Mark, and now have 7 sets and would be more than happy to trade you for a set. Let me know what you got and we'll set something up.

RE: movies for Groo's who like funny movies here are some of my favorites: This is Spinal Tap on DVD is great. They've included about an hour and a half of extra footage, and the commentary on the movie is as funny as the movie. Dogma is one of my favorites, I haven't got the DVD yet but I hear it has a lot of extra's. "Best of Show" and "Waiting for Guffman" are very funny. They are done in spoof documentary style. And for one of my favorites: "A Nightmare Before Christmas" not extremely funny but wonderful to look at a! nd some great songs, Danny Elfman is the one singing the Jack parts and he is my all time favorite. He was lead singer for Oingo Boingo and has wrote the film scores to many of my other favorite movies.

RE: this years San Diego Comic Con. It happened a while ago, but this is what I did: This was the 2nd year I went for all 4 days. This year I met Gary and got a "Did I Err" shirt from him and got to hear some gary stories, he is my hero next to sergio and groo of course. Tip if you ever get one of those shirts and want Sergio to draw a sketch on it bring your own sharpie, it ruins the pen he uses to autograph comics with. I hung around Sergio's table for a while, long enough to meet is lovely daughter and hear some Sergio stories. Meet Larry and was with him when he purchased the original panels for many bucks. I went to the groo panel, funny story, I didn't want to wear my newly signed "Did I Err" shirt so right before the panel I changed into the shirt and left my badge, the one you need to go any where at comic con, in the bathroom and didn't realize it until 5 minutes into the groo panel, went back to the bathroom and ther! e it was right where I left it, rather grooish of me. Anyway after the panel I got Tom and Stan to sign my hard cover book of the "Groo Chronicles" that I had purchased many years ago that was signed by Sergio and Mark and numbered. The other none groo stuff I did was go to the Kevin Smith Panel, wrote and directed Clerks, Chasing Amy, Mall Rats, Dogma, Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back. He talked for about 3 hours and was very funny, Jay Muse the one who plays Jay, was also there but just sat there with not much to say Saw the cartoon Futurama episode that fox wouldn't air because of its violence, violent but very funny. Also obtained the two missing Mad Magazines that have slipped through my fingers and now have a complete Mad Magazine collection from #1 to the present, yea for me. Overall a wonderful place to be for 4 days.

RE: other stuff. I pre order the Life and Death of Groo hard back and am waiting very patiently for it. Gary have you heard anything? Also waiting patiently for the next groo series "Death and Taxes" Mark any news on when that is coming out?

Well if you made through the end I thank you for reading all of my ramblings. I'll go back to being a lurker now. Keep writing it nice to read about the going ons each day.

In Groo, Sergio, The Groop, and Gary I Trust,

Proud to be an American,

Steve

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_______________________________________________ Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop ------=_NextPart_000_30fb_200a_2361-- From me@evanier.com Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:13:42 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:13:42 -0700 From: Mark Evanier me@evanier.com Subject: [Groop]Re: finding groo trading cards plus a bunch of other stuff On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 03:03:07 , "Finn Smith" wrote: >I, too, preordered the limited edition Life/Death of Groo last year and I >have since cancelled the order. When (and if) it actually makes it onto >comic store shelves, I'll purchase it. I have to admit, it was a bit scary >when Mark said he and Sergio had not been contacted to sign the copies, etc. >so I had the store credit my credit card for the preorder- ME: And, as of today, I still haven't heard from anyone as to when they expect me to sign them. ------------------------------ NOW ONLINE: www.POVonline.com A website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg and other stuff. From Pengyfelix@aol.com Fri, 28 Sep 2001 23:18:50 EDT Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 23:18:50 EDT From: Pengyfelix@aol.com Pengyfelix@aol.com Subject: [Groop]Groo sighting? --part1_14e.1bebdab.28e6979a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the Garfield and Friends cartoon "Mini Mall Madness," the salesclerk at the croissant and or soft frozen yogurt shop lists "cheese dip" among the soft frozen yogurt flavors of the day. Does this count as a Groo sighting (hearing?) or just an inside joke Mark slipped in for us Garfield-turned-Groo-fans? Janet Toledo Groopie/r #2 --part1_14e.1bebdab.28e6979a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the Garfield and Friends cartoon "Mini Mall Madness," the salesclerk at the croissant and or soft frozen yogurt shop lists "cheese dip" among the soft frozen yogurt flavors of the day. Does this count as a Groo sighting (hearing?) or just an inside joke Mark slipped in for us Garfield-turned-Groo-fans?

Janet
Toledo Groopie/r #2 --part1_14e.1bebdab.28e6979a_boundary-- From vaughn@sewardconsulting.com Sat, 29 Sep 2001 23:31:00 -0600 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 23:31:00 -0600 From: Vaughn Seward vaughn@sewardconsulting.com Subject: [Groop]Groo-like movie (The Mask of Zorro) Excuse me if you have already talked about the movie "The Mask of Zorro" (1998)...I wasn't paying too close attention to the recent Groop movie postings. I recently watched "The Mask of Zorro" and noticed some uncanny similarities to the world of Groo. Here are a few, I am sure others may find more: -Groo: the Zorro apprentice (although in the end is smarter than Groo) stumbles along a la Inspector Clousseau in the Pink Panther series. His skill with swords (and in some cases two-handed) is very much like Groo. -Frays: many of the sword fights are very much like those in which we find Groo involved. -Arcadio: the blond army guy (cavalry commander) reminds me of Arcadio. -Chakaal: Angelina (or Angelica, whatever her name is, Zorro's daughter) is very beautiful just like our favorite lady in the Groo world. She is also very good with a sword and can fight very well along-side Zorro's appentice. -Pal & Drum: There is a big Mexican guy and a little bossy Mexican guy that reminds me of Pal & Drum. -Mexico: the story takes place in old Mexico. Isn't Sergio from Mexico? -etc. ~Vaughn Seward