[Groop]This guy must be on crack!

Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:03:05 -0800

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This is one of my horrible horrible horrible (did I mention horrible)
gripes about the whole CGC system.

CGC has been more of a curse for me than a blessing. I'm in that phase
of comic collecting where I purchase the more >expensive< books now,
being that I have all the fillers and cheapies.

I buy comic books for pretty much one reason: to manhandle them and read
them. So yes, my fingers actually touch the pages.. >GASP<

Comic books are indeed >magical< to me. I love old comic books and I
love to read them, and at the same time, I do indeed take extremely good
care of them without perma-sealing them in nuke-proof plastic. (I'll
tell you the story of one time when my girlfriend tried to read my
Pacific Groo run after eat some Lays potato chips..)

So, because ever seller out there is about making as much money as
possible, they have begun to slab everything they can get their hands
on.

What does this do to me? Well, example, last con my two big books I was
looking for was Tales of Suspense 52 and 57. (First Black Widow and
Hawkeye, if you're wondering). I wanted them in excellent condition and
I planned on reading them. (Hawkeye is my all time favorite comic book
hero.) Before CGC this wouldn't have been so hard of a challenge. Not
anymore. With CGC, I have to pay well above an already steep price,
because now it's >officially slabbed< and graded. And heaven forbid I
break the plastic and read my treasure, because now I've just wasted the
+100% mark up I paid. I can understand CGC style grading for sports
cards, because there is only two sides, a front and a back, so you can
just flip it over. But for a comic book? How are you going to read it if
it's slabbed? The only thing I can think of is to only slab those books
that you have reprints of :-)

Grrrrrrr.. CGC.. It's turned an expensive passion into something
horribly more expensive.

-----Original Message-----
From: groop-admin@groo.com [mailto:groop-admin@groo.com] On Behalf Of
Grossmann, Gary
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:10 AM
To: 'MisterElie@aol.com'; groop@groo.com
Subject: RE: [Groop]This guy must be on crack!

I think the whole CGC 9.9, 9.4, 10.0 thing is a big pile of rancid
cheesedip sprinkled with mulch.  Tasty as that sounds (my mouth is
watering), it's mind boggling that people will pay outrageous prices for
things because under a microscope you can see a difference and they
think, apparently, that in the future someone will pay even more!
Especially when the real joy of comic book ownership is the appreciation
of great art and great writing (rather than whether there is a tiny
wrinkle at the staples.)

-Gary G.    

 -----Original Message-----
From: MisterElie@aol.com [mailto:MisterElie@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:17 AM
To: groop@groo.com
Subject: Re: [Groop]This guy must be on crack!

Let's see, according to the latest CBG, a 9.9 graded comic by CGC is
listed at selling at an average +2456% or 25.56 times the NM guide
price.  According to my latest Overstreet Guide (32nd ed.), Image's Groo
#1 is worth $3.50 at a 9.4 NM.  

So let's do the math: $3.50 x 25.56 = $89.46.  Now, the ebay comic is
listed at CGC 10.0 and my CBG doesn't have that price.  So, taking both
the latest Overstreet price into account and the opening bid of $500,
someone would have to be willing to pay 143 times the price of the
latest guide for that comic!  And that's just the opening bid.

So, any takers?  And if so, I have a 1962 Studebaker GT Hawk to sell
you.  Less than 100,000 miles, manual column shift, overdrive, new paint
job, good working order.  Asking $95,000 - firm!   :)

Elie 

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This is one of my horrible horrible =
horrible
(did I mention horrible) gripes about the whole CGC =
system.

CGC has been more of a curse for me =
than a
blessing. I’m in that phase of comic collecting where I purchase =
the more
>expensive< books now, being that I have all the fillers and =
cheapies.

I buy comic books for pretty much =
one
reason: to manhandle them and read them. So yes, my fingers actually =
touch the
pages…. >GASP<

Comic books are indeed =
>magical< to
me. I love old comic books and I love to read them, and at the same =
time, I do
indeed take extremely good care of them without perma-sealing them in
nuke-proof plastic. (I’ll tell you the story of one time when my
girlfriend tried to read my Pacific Groo run after eat some Lays potato =
chips….)

So, because ever seller out there =
is about
making as much money as possible, they have begun to slab everything =
they can
get their hands on.

What does this do to me? Well, =
example,
last con my two big books I was looking for was Tales of Suspense 52 and =
57.
(First Black Widow and Hawkeye, if you’re wondering). I wanted =
them in
excellent condition and I planned on reading them. (Hawkeye is my all =
time
favorite comic book hero.) Before CGC this wouldn’t have been so =
hard of
a challenge. Not anymore. With CGC, I have to pay well above an already =
steep
price, because now it’s >officially slabbed< and graded. And =
heaven
forbid I break the plastic and read my treasure, because now I’ve =
just
wasted the +100% mark up I paid. I can understand CGC style grading for =
sports
cards, because there is only two sides, a front and a back, so you can =
just
flip it over. But for a comic book? How are you going to read it if =
it’s
slabbed? The only thing I can think of is to only slab those books that =
you
have reprints of J

Grrrrrrr…. CGC…. =
It’s
turned an expensive passion into something horribly more =
expensive.

-----Original =
Message-----

From: =
groop-admin@groo.com
[mailto:groop-admin@groo.com] On =
Behalf Of Grossmann,
Gary

Sent: Monday,
 February 10, 2003 10:10 =
AM

To: 'MisterElie@aol.com';
groop@groo.com

Subject: RE: [Groop]This =
guy must
be on crack!

I think the =
whole CGC
9.9, 9.4, 10.0 thing is a big pile of rancid cheesedip sprinkled with
mulch.  Tasty as that sounds (my mouth is watering), it's mind =
boggling
that people will pay outrageous prices for things because under a =
microscope
you can see a difference and they think, apparently, that in =
the
future someone will pay even more!  Especially when the real joy of =
comic
book ownership is the appreciation of great art and great writing =
(rather than
whether there is a tiny wrinkle at the staples.)

-Gary G.    =

 -----Original
Message-----

From: MisterElie@aol.com
[mailto:MisterElie@aol.com]

Sent: Monday,
 February 10, 2003 9:17 AM

To: groop@groo.com

Subject: Re: [Groop]This =
guy must
be on crack!

Let's see,
according to the latest CBG, a 9.9 graded comic by CGC is listed at =
selling at
an average +2456% or 25.56 times the NM guide price.  According to =
my
latest Overstreet Guide (32nd ed.), Image's Groo #1 is worth $3.50 at a =
9.4
NM.  

So let's do the math: $3.50 x 25.56 =3D $89.46.  Now, the ebay =
comic is
listed at CGC 10.0 and my CBG doesn't have that price.  So, taking =
both
the latest Overstreet price into account and the opening bid of $500, =
someone
would have to be willing to pay 143 times the price of the latest guide =
for
that comic!  And that's just the opening bid.

So, any takers?  And if so, I have a 1962 Studebaker GT Hawk to =
sell
you.  Less than 100,000 miles, manual column shift, overdrive, new =
paint
job, good working order.  Asking $95,000 - firm!   :)

Elie =

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