From Pengyfelix@aol.com Sun, 2 Mar 2003 23:58:28 EST Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 23:58:28 EST From: Pengyfelix@aol.com Pengyfelix@aol.com Subject: [Groop]Groo Rules --part1_191.162e8f82.2b943af4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For all of you who have lost your rules for the Groo card game, and I know we're not alone in our plight, Elie found the solution: move. We're in the midst of unpacking after moving into a new apartment (thanks for the help, Gary, but circumstances have kept us in Toledo), and guess what showed up in a shoebox! Odd, considering neither one of us remembers packing them. Janet --part1_191.162e8f82.2b943af4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For all of you who have lost your rules for the Groo c= ard game, and I know we're not alone in our plight, Elie found the solution:= move.

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Janet --part1_191.162e8f82.2b943af4_boundary-- From mightyhero@mail.com Mon, 03 Mar 2003 10:01:57 +0100 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 10:01:57 +0100 From: E C mightyhero@mail.com Subject: [Groop]Groo Message Board Hi guys/grrls! I've added a "Releases" section to the Groo Message Board. Azamin added an Oil War article. http://pub84.ezboard.com/bgroomessageboard According to ezboard statistics, the Groo Message Board averages 60 hits per day. I find that hard to believe, but you can't argue with statistics ... See you. Eric -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Bodhikt@aol.com Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:59:47 EST Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:59:47 EST From: Bodhikt@aol.com Bodhikt@aol.com Subject: [Groop]Late again.... --part1_14b.1c94793d.2b94d5f3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy Birth + 1 Day, Mark!!! Kaytee http://www.eclecticbeadery.com/simplexities.html http://www.rubylane.com/shops/simplexities --part1_14b.1c94793d.2b94d5f3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy Birth + 1 Day, Mark!!!

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--part1_14b.1c94793d.2b94d5f3_boundary-- From Bodhikt@aol.com Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:02:03 EST Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:02:03 EST From: Bodhikt@aol.com Bodhikt@aol.com Subject: [Groop]The Groo card sets... --part1_de.350964fe.2b94d67b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last I heard, Mark was transferring distribution rites (yes, that's the correct spelling for what I mean) to Josh (?). Has this been done? Or have I missed this, too? Kaytee http://www.eclecticbeadery.com/simplexities.html http://www.rubylane.com/shops/simplexities --part1_de.350964fe.2b94d67b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Last I heard, Mark was transferring distributi= on rites (yes, that's the correct spelling for what I mean) to Josh (?). Has= this been done? Or have I missed this, too?

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--part1_de.350964fe.2b94d67b_boundary-- From mrgrooism@yahoo.com Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:16:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:16:48 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Steller mrgrooism@yahoo.com Subject: [Groop]Groo Rules --- Pengyfelix@aol.com wrote: > For all of you who have lost your rules for the Groo > card game... > > We're in the midst of unpacking after moving... > and guess what showed up in a shoebox! Hey, Groo always turns up unexpectedly and without warning, doesn't he? ===== ------------------------------- -Larry "Mr. Grooism" Steller Mendicant Second Class __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From mail@evanier.com Mon, 03 Mar 2003 11:24:00 -0800 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 11:24:00 -0800 From: Mark Evanier mail@evanier.com Subject: [Groop]The Groo card sets... On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:02:03 EST, Bodhikt@aol.com wrote: >Last I heard, Mark was transferring distribution rites (yes, that's the >correct spelling for what I mean) to Josh (?). Has this been done? Or have I >missed this, too? ME: You haven't missed it. Josh (!) should have an announcement here any day now. ------------------------------ www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in my backyard. From chschechner@ev1.net Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:26:52 -0600 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:26:52 -0600 From: Chris Schechner chschechner@ev1.net Subject: [Groop]Groo Rules Yeah! Groo RULES!!! From CKlein@mn.rr.com Mon, 3 Mar 2003 23:00:04 -0600 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 23:00:04 -0600 From: Charles L. Klein CKlein@mn.rr.com Subject: [Groop]Late again.... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C2E1D8.A1648460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought his birthday was today (in which case Happy Birthday!)... at least, that's what I had written down in cyptic notes somewhere. -----Original Message----- From: groop-admin@groo.com [mailto:groop-admin@groo.com]On Behalf Of Bodhikt@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 10:00 AM To: groop@groo.com Subject: [Groop]Late again.... Happy Birth + 1 Day, Mark!!! Kaytee http://www.eclecticbeadery.com/simplexities.html http://www.rubylane.com/shops/simplexities ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C2E1D8.A1648460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C2E1D8.A1648460-- From grossfam at olywa.net Wed Mar 5 18:16:13 2003 From: grossfam at olywa.net (Gary Grossmann) Date: Wed Mar 5 18:14:57 2003 Subject: [Groop]Question for Mark References: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB410@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> <6a9n5v4f8c962nbhu0b805mgrd1hdbl649@4ax.com> Message-ID: <000801c2e386$5cf9e900$694a2a40@GaryGrossman> So Mark, do you get a little check for everytime they rerun the one episode of Thundarr the Barbarian that you wrote? I thought you also wrote some barbarian comic book for european distribution somewhere along the line. I don't know why, but the business side of the creative arts is fascinating to me, especially since it often seems to be "50 ways to screw the creative people." -Gary "No Groo Cartoons" Grossmann From mail at evanier.com Wed Mar 5 20:34:08 2003 From: mail at evanier.com (Mark Evanier) Date: Wed Mar 5 20:34:17 2003 Subject: [Groop]Question for Mark In-Reply-To: <000801c2e386$5cf9e900$694a2a40@GaryGrossman> References: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB410@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> <6a9n5v4f8c962nbhu0b805mgrd1hdbl649@4ax.com> <000801c2e386$5cf9e900$694a2a40@GaryGrossman> Message-ID: <1rjd6vk8uup09v77ss1ti11obb54e390j9@4ax.com> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:16:13 -0800, "Gary Grossmann" wrote: >So Mark, do you get a little check for everytime they rerun the one episode >of Thundarr the Barbarian that you wrote? ME: Not on THUNDARR. I do on some other shows. >I thought you also wrote some >barbarian comic book for european distribution somewhere along the line. ME: I wrote (and edited) the comic books for TARZAN and KORAK, SON OF TARZAN for a time back in the seventies. Maybe that's what you're thinking of. >I don't know why, but the business side of the creative arts is fascinating >to me, especially since it often seems to be "50 ways to screw the creative >people." ME: Oh, there are a lot more than 50. Marvel alone has at least 200. ------------------------------ www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in my backyard. From natepiekos at cox.net Thu Mar 6 15:39:17 2003 From: natepiekos at cox.net (Nate Piekos) Date: Thu Mar 6 12:57:06 2003 Subject: [Groop]Question for Mark In-Reply-To: <1rjd6vk8uup09v77ss1ti11obb54e390j9@4ax.com> References: <000801c2e386$5cf9e900$694a2a40@GaryGrossman> <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB410@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> <6a9n5v4f8c962nbhu0b805mgrd1hdbl649@4ax.com> <000801c2e386$5cf9e900$694a2a40@GaryGrossman> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030306153816.00a65090@pop.east.cox.net> > >ME: Oh, there are a lot more than 50. Marvel alone has at least 200. ~~~ Badum-bum CHING! (C'mon, that was rim-shot worthy.) ~N From dennison at tri-isys.com Sun Mar 9 16:44:41 2003 From: dennison at tri-isys.com (Tennille Tan) Date: Sun Mar 9 00:54:34 2003 Subject: [Groop]San Francisco con Message-ID: <000c01c2e618$2401da60$b12afea9@denn> Hi. I was just wondering if anyone from the groop is planning to go to the San Francisco comic convention. Bubble From jonthekingdon at attbi.com Sun Mar 9 11:28:43 2003 From: jonthekingdon at attbi.com (jonthekingdon) Date: Sun Mar 9 08:28:45 2003 Subject: [Groop]San Francisco con References: <000c01c2e618$2401da60$b12afea9@denn> Message-ID: <000801c2e658$f3931b50$a65e3c18@D51YN511> i am Josh "Not the First But the Next" Decosta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tennille Tan" To: Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 3:44 AM Subject: [Groop]San Francisco con > Hi. > > I was just wondering if anyone from the > groop is planning to go to the San > Francisco comic convention. > > Bubble > > _______________________________________________ > Groop mailing list > Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop > From rage at engr.colostate.edu Sun Mar 9 11:29:30 2003 From: rage at engr.colostate.edu (jorge filevich) Date: Sun Mar 9 10:27:39 2003 Subject: [Groop]San Francisco con References: <000c01c2e618$2401da60$b12afea9@denn> <000801c2e658$f3931b50$a65e3c18@D51YN511> Message-ID: <3E6B961A.3010703@engr.colostate.edu> I just found out that I will be in the bay area in April, so I'll try to go. Jorge F. jonthekingdon wrote: >i am > >Josh "Not the First But the Next" Decost > > From mrgrooism at yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 20:39:18 2003 From: mrgrooism at yahoo.com (Larry Steller) Date: Mon Mar 10 20:39:21 2003 Subject: [Groop]Back to the Batcave Message-ID: <20030311043918.73609.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> I thought I'd reprint my post on Sunday Night's special [i]Back to the Batcave[/i] from Scott Shaw!'s Oddball Comics Forum here, since I'm sure many GROOpies tuned in. I haven't yet checked Mark's POVonline column, but am sure he's got an opinion up there as well! -Larry -------------------------------------------- Remember the thread about Guilty Pleasures? Yeah, [i]Back to the Batcave[/i] was a big time guilty pleasure! The framing sequences were as painful as they were intended to be, pure camp, and taken in that spirit, real guilty pleasure type fun. I think Adam and Burt's willingness to make fools of themselves and act the buffoons was part of the charm, but of course the best parts were the flashbacks to filming. They lightly touched on various aspects of production, from auditions to the series wrap, always quickly moving on without really bogging down (except of course in the framing sequences). For instance, they showed Adam and Burt's petty bickering, showed a token resolution, then moved on. This kept it more fun than tell-all! I kept thinking while watching [i]Back to the Batcave[/i] "This is soooo stupid, I really don't want to like this, but damnit I love it!!!" ===== ------------------------------- -Larry "Mr. Grooism" Steller Mendicant Second Class __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From josh at newdream.net Mon Mar 10 06:14:13 2003 From: josh at newdream.net (Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones) Date: Mon Mar 10 22:12:52 2003 Subject: [Groop]The Groo card sets... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > ME: You haven't missed it. Josh (!) should have an announcement here > any day now. Any day now has arrived! My apologies for the slight delay.. UPS first tried to deliver the cards on Wednesday, but I was in Miami until Friday. I got them Friday and then spent the weekend revamping http://www.cardjones.com/ so it'd be ready for a Monday morning (now) launch! So here's the dilly-o! If any of you remember back in November I launched CardJones.com as a sort of stock market for non-sports trading cards. The idea back then was that people would mail their cards to me, and I'd handle all the shipping and delivery. Well, that idea has changed! As of today, the site has been re-launched as an Ebay/Amazon Z-shops style marketplace that helps people buy and sell (trade) cards directly to each other! I've also added the complete database of these series: Magic The Gathering Yu-Gi-Oh! Pokemon Harry Potter Lord of the Rings and of course, The Groo Trading Cards! I'm adding more all the time, and if you don't see your favorite here, please suggest it right from the link on the main page at http://www.cardjones.com/ To sell cards through the site, you just find the cards you want to sell and click the "Sell Yours Now" button. Then when somebody buys it, you'll get an email with their address and order. You ship it to them and you get paid out from us (via PayPal) twice a month. The buyer then rates you a la Ebay/Amazon so you can build a seller reputation! Buying cards at the site is pretty much like Amazon.. you've got a shopping cart, you check out, you pay securely with a credit card (again, via PayPal). The cool thing is you can buy from multiple sellers (of course, right now there's just me) all at once in one simple transaction! Please check it out and if you've got any extra trading cards from any of the sets you've been meaning to get rid of, it'd be great if you listed them. I think this thing has the potential to be a really useful service for completing sets and getting rid of duplicates, but it's got to build a critical mass to work. Okay, thanks for reading all that.. now here's the part you're probably most interested in.. the complete Groo trading card sets! :) Mark has been so kind as to send me 20 (TWENTY!) complete sets of Groo cards (that's 3060 cards!). I've listed them for sale at the site.. the price is $50.00 per set (cheap!), shipping is $5.03 (plus $1.53 per extra set if you buy more than one). These complete sets are special too because the Groo card (GROO-001) and Sergio card (GROO-019) are signed by Sergio and the Mark card (GROO-020) is signed by Mark. This is a special deal for Groop subscribers.. once these 20 sets are gone, Mark will probably have about 10 more that will be priced at $60 a set. The URL to buy the set: http://www.cardjones.com/card.php?card=GROO-SET Although the site doesn't technically support International users yet, for this special Groo Set deal I'll allow it, and for the same shipping cost ($5.03) people in the U.S. get! So get there, and please let me know if you have any problems, questions, or suggestions! And tell your friends! Thanks a bunch, Josh! From mightyhero at mail.com Tue Mar 11 08:46:27 2003 From: mightyhero at mail.com (E C) Date: Mon Mar 10 23:46:48 2003 Subject: [Groop]San Francisco con Message-ID: <20030311074627.37802.qmail@mail.com> Hi guys/grrls! Bubble wrote: > I was just wondering if anyone from the > groop is planning to go to the San > Francisco comic convention. I'm planning to go. Lucky Cat is also going. Scott usually goes, too. http://www.wondercon.com See you. Eric -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From mightyhero at mail.com Tue Mar 11 08:56:04 2003 From: mightyhero at mail.com (E C) Date: Mon Mar 10 23:56:07 2003 Subject: [Groop]Back to the Batcave Message-ID: <20030311075604.59092.qmail@mail.com> Adam West, Burt Ward, and Yvonne Craig came to a Supercon convention in Oakland. Always thought Adam had a great Batman voice. See you. Eric -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From dennison at tri-isys.com Tue Mar 11 16:08:19 2003 From: dennison at tri-isys.com (Tennille Tan) Date: Tue Mar 11 00:18:11 2003 Subject: [Groop]San Francisco con References: <20030311074627.37802.qmail@mail.com> Message-ID: <005f01c2e7a5$62df0bc0$b12afea9@denn> Cool. The thing is, the family's having the vacation there this year. =) And it just so happens that well be in SF during the time of the con! I hope you've all got your orange shirts. Bubble > I'm planning to go. Lucky Cat is also > going. Scott usually goes, too. > http://www.wondercon.com > See you. > Eric >I just found out that I will be in the bay area in April, so I'll try to go. >Jorge F. >i am >Josh "Not the First But the Next" Decosta From Chris.Emmett at uk.standardchartered.com Tue Mar 11 10:43:15 2003 From: Chris.Emmett at uk.standardchartered.com (Chris.Emmett@uk.standardchartered.com) Date: Tue Mar 11 02:55:11 2003 Subject: [Groop]The Groo card sets... Message-ID: --------------------------------------------------------- Any opinions, express or implied. presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Standard Chartered Group. --------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- >The URL to buy the set: >http://www.cardjones.com/card.php?card=GROO-SET >Although the site doesn't technically support International users yet, for >this special Groo Set deal I'll allow it, and for the same shipping cost >($5.03) people in the U.S. get! Arggh, I went through the Paypal registration and all. It says "This recipient does NOT accept payments from International Accounts." Is there any other way I can pay? Womble -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030311/8fda1502/attachment.html From sitruc46 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 11 02:21:16 2003 From: sitruc46 at yahoo.com (Curtis Rosinbaum) Date: Tue Mar 11 02:58:29 2003 Subject: [Groop]Groo card set Message-ID: <20030311102116.56029.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Finally, I will own a Groo card set. WHOPPEE!!!! And this is is on my birthday. Yessss!!! What a nice birthday present to myself. Thanks Mark and Josh. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From me at evanier.com Mon Mar 10 23:14:52 2003 From: me at evanier.com (Mark Evanier) Date: Tue Mar 11 04:58:10 2003 Subject: [Groop]Back to the Batcave In-Reply-To: <20030311043918.73609.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030311043918.73609.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:39:18 -0800 (PST), Larry Steller wrote: >I thought I'd reprint my post on Sunday Night's >special [i]Back to the Batcave[/i] from Scott Shaw!'s >Oddball Comics Forum here, since I'm sure many >GROOpies tuned in. > >I haven't yet checked Mark's POVonline column, but am >sure he's got an opinion up there as well! ME: No, because I haven't seen it yet. ------------------------------ www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in my backyard. From Chris.Emmett at uk.standardchartered.com Tue Mar 11 13:31:37 2003 From: Chris.Emmett at uk.standardchartered.com (Chris.Emmett@uk.standardchartered.com) Date: Tue Mar 11 05:31:24 2003 Subject: [Groop]The Groo card sets... Message-ID: --------------------------------------------------------- Any opinions, express or implied. presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Standard Chartered Group. --------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- >I've turned it back on now, so International people, go right ahead and >check out again! I've just done so with success. Thanks Josh Womble (All excited now) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030311/1b1acbac/attachment.html From azamin7 at pd.jaring.my Tue Mar 11 21:47:16 2003 From: azamin7 at pd.jaring.my (Azamin) Date: Tue Mar 11 05:47:56 2003 Subject: [Groop]The Groo card sets... References: Message-ID: <3E6DE8E4.8BD8E777@yahoo.com> Congratulations... welldone.. Btw.. maybe you can expand the product to cater Groo merchandises and be the e-commerce partner of Mark's and Sergio.... This way, it's easier for Groo fans to buy Groo merchandises directly from Sergio/Mark. and all merchandise will be 100% approved by the Groop team... BTW2... What solution did you developed the site... java, cgi or ASP...? Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones wrote: > > ME: You haven't missed it. Josh (!) should have an announcement here > > any day now. > > Any day now has arrived! > > My apologies for the slight delay.. UPS first tried to deliver the cards > on Wednesday, but I was in Miami until Friday. I got them Friday and then > spent the weekend revamping http://www.cardjones.com/ so it'd be ready for > a Monday morning (now) launch! From SHudlow at aol.com Tue Mar 11 12:36:32 2003 From: SHudlow at aol.com (SHudlow@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 11 09:37:23 2003 Subject: [Groop]San Francisco con Message-ID: <66.2f91d931.2b9f78a0@aol.com> Hi all, Yeah, I'll be there! I have an endcap this year. A floor plan will not be available until sometime next month. Check comic-con.org for more information, hit the Wondercon button. Scott Hudlow From promethea at kc.rr.com Tue Mar 11 12:35:30 2003 From: promethea at kc.rr.com (promethea) Date: Tue Mar 11 10:36:07 2003 Subject: [Groop]GROO Trading Cards References: <24177A6544785E4BBFA8B382D8B3FD8D0DF3C9@bepcmail.brazoselectric.com> Message-ID: <006701c2e7fd$01d3e000$ed96a318@kc.rr.com> Did we miss the direct-to-Groop offer for the cards? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Evanier" To: Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Groop]GROO Trading Cards > On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:54:38 -0600, "Leonard Dempsey" > wrote: > > >What happened to this? I'm interested in purchasing a set. > > ME: I've actually received the cards. I'm turning them over to our > own Josh Jones to sell for me. He'll be posting a message here > shortly telling you all how to order. > ------------------------------ > www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, cartoons, TV, > movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, > Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in my backyard. > > > _______________________________________________ > Groop maillist - Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo/groop From josh at newdream.net Tue Mar 11 06:14:41 2003 From: josh at newdream.net (Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones) Date: Tue Mar 11 14:29:52 2003 Subject: [Groop]The Groo card sets... In-Reply-To: <3E6DE8E4.8BD8E777@yahoo.com> References: <3E6DE8E4.8BD8E777@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hmm, yup that's an idea.. the only problem being the shipping cost system I use now ($3.50 plus 1 cent per card) would probably have to be modified if there were going to be things like groo statues, etc.. I wrote it all in PHP! Thanks, josh! On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Azamin wrote: > Congratulations... welldone.. Btw.. maybe you can expand the product to cater > Groo merchandises and be the e-commerce partner of Mark's and Sergio.... This > way, it's easier for Groo fans to buy Groo merchandises directly from > Sergio/Mark. and all merchandise will be 100% approved by the Groop team... > > BTW2... What solution did you developed the site... java, cgi or ASP...? > > Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones wrote: > > > > ME: You haven't missed it. Josh (!) should have an announcement here > > > any day now. > > > > Any day now has arrived! > > > > My apologies for the slight delay.. UPS first tried to deliver the cards > > on Wednesday, but I was in Miami until Friday. I got them Friday and then > > spent the weekend revamping http://www.cardjones.com/ so it'd be ready for > > a Monday morning (now) launch! > > _______________________________________________ > Groop mailing list > Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop > From josh at newdream.net Tue Mar 11 11:00:29 2003 From: josh at newdream.net (Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones) Date: Tue Mar 11 14:30:10 2003 Subject: [Groop]GROO Trading Cards In-Reply-To: <006701c2e7fd$01d3e000$ed96a318@kc.rr.com> References: <24177A6544785E4BBFA8B382D8B3FD8D0DF3C9@bepcmail.brazoselectric.com> <006701c2e7fd$01d3e000$ed96a318@kc.rr.com> Message-ID: > Did we miss the direct-to-Groop offer for the cards? Eh? No.. the offer just began! It's only been posted to this list.. Go to http://www.cardjones.com/card.php?card=GROO-SET to buy one (or more?) now for $50 plus $5.03 s&h. Only 14 left! Josh! From cankuhn at hotmail.com Wed Mar 12 01:14:54 2003 From: cankuhn at hotmail.com (Steve Kuhn) Date: Tue Mar 11 17:14:58 2003 Subject: [Groop]What did I miss? Message-ID: I haven't been getting my Groop messages emailed for the past 2 weeks and was wondering about the progress of the membership cards. Also can you list sergios website address. Has anyone heard if they are booking hotels for San Diego Comic Con. If I remember correctly the past 2 years comic-con allowed you to reserve through them in February. Hope all has been well in aragones land of misadventure, Steve _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From MisterElie at aol.com Tue Mar 11 22:03:47 2003 From: MisterElie at aol.com (MisterElie@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 11 19:03:55 2003 Subject: [Groop]Another Groo Merchandising idea..... Message-ID: <1cb.4dfc002.2b9ffd93@aol.com> Just had to order more of these today and I thought, "hmmm......what if we got Groo in on this....." Groo checks. I ordered Garfield checks today (of course). But they also had Peanuts checks, Scooby Doo checks, and a whole bunch of other not-nearly-as-funny check designs. Wouldn't it be great if we got Groo checks? Everytime we send a payment to the phone company, there'll be a word balloon over the dollar amount proclaiming, "Did I Err?" Elie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030311/8c2d7892/attachment.html From bigsexxy at aaahawk.com Wed Mar 12 11:06:44 2003 From: bigsexxy at aaahawk.com (John Sefchick) Date: Wed Mar 12 08:06:56 2003 Subject: [Groop]Another Groo Merchandising idea..... In-Reply-To: <1cb.4dfc002.2b9ffd93@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030312105832.00bbfc88@mail1.aaahawk.com> Well that's possible for each groopie to do on their own. I have a check writing program call Versa Check. You also need to purchase blank checks, which in my case are cheaper than purchasing them from the bank. On these checks you can put any picture you want to on them, as long as it's in your computer. Maybe Mark and Sergio wouldn't be opposed if each groopie did this on their own for their own personal use. Mark? Sergio? Any thoughts? At 10:03 PM 3/11/2003 -0500, MisterElie@aol.com wrote: >Just had to order more of these today and I thought, "hmmm......what if we >got Groo in on this....." > >Groo checks. I ordered Garfield checks today (of course). But they also >had Peanuts checks, Scooby Doo checks, and a whole bunch of other >not-nearly-as-funny check designs. > >Wouldn't it be great if we got Groo checks? Everytime we send a payment >to the phone company, there'll be a word balloon over the dollar amount >proclaiming, "Did I Err?" > >Elie >_______________________________________________ >Groop mailing list >Groop@groo.com >http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030312/c9102bba/attachment.html From uslgrad at hotmail.com Wed Mar 12 10:47:27 2003 From: uslgrad at hotmail.com (Shawn Moore) Date: Wed Mar 12 08:47:31 2003 Subject: [Groop]groo cards Message-ID: please tell me that the groo cards are really not rubberbanded together? The poor groo card will be damaged forever, not to mention the checklist. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From vaughn at sewardconsulting.com Wed Mar 12 10:32:02 2003 From: vaughn at sewardconsulting.com (Vaughn Seward) Date: Wed Mar 12 09:32:11 2003 Subject: [Groop]Groop Spam Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030312103055.033b69c8@pop3.norton.antivirus> Does anyone know where is all this spam coming from on the Groop all of a sudden? ~Vaughn From rage at engr.colostate.edu Wed Mar 12 10:39:24 2003 From: rage at engr.colostate.edu (jorge filevich) Date: Wed Mar 12 09:37:35 2003 Subject: [Groop] Groop Spam References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030312103055.033b69c8@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <3E6F7EDC.2070302@engr.colostate.edu> Does anybody else receive two copies of each Groop e-mail as I do since yesterday? Jorge F. Vaughn Seward wrote: > Does anyone know where is all this spam coming from on the Groop all > of a sudden? > > ~Vaughn > > _______________________________________________ > Groop mailing list > Groop@groo.com > http://groop.groo.com/listinfo.cgi/groop-groo.com > From GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV Wed Mar 12 09:44:51 2003 From: GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV (Grossmann, Gary) Date: Wed Mar 12 09:45:30 2003 Subject: [Groop]What did I miss? Message-ID: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB450@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> Hi Steve! We haven't heard from Larry about the cards in awhile. Sergio's address is www.sergioaragones.com. I didn't book thru the Con, but I know that you can after a certain date. Check their web site. http://www.comic-con.org/Pages/CCIWhatsNew.html They are usually very good about letting you know things like that. Eric remembers this stuff better than I do. You haven't really missed anything unless you didn't know that the Trade paperback of Death & Taxes is out. Hope this helps. Take care -Gary G. PS Will someone please turn the Spam killer back on? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Kuhn [mailto:cankuhn@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:15 PM To: groop@groo.com Subject: [Groop]What did I miss? I haven't been getting my Groop messages emailed for the past 2 weeks and was wondering about the progress of the membership cards. Also can you list sergios website address. Has anyone heard if they are booking hotels for San Diego Comic Con. If I remember correctly the past 2 years comic-con allowed you to reserve through them in February. Hope all has been well in aragones land of misadventure, Steve _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop From GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV Wed Mar 12 09:46:33 2003 From: GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV (Grossmann, Gary) Date: Wed Mar 12 09:47:20 2003 Subject: [Groop] Groop Spam Message-ID: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB451@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> Yes, it's not just you. -Gary G. -----Original Message----- From: jorge filevich [mailto:rage@engr.colostate.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:39 AM To: groop Subject: Re: [Groop] Groop Spam Does anybody else receive two copies of each Groop e-mail as I do since yesterday? Jorge F. Vaughn Seward wrote: > Does anyone know where is all this spam coming from on the Groop all > of a sudden? > > ~Vaughn > > _______________________________________________ > Groop mailing list > Groop@groo.com > http://groop.groo.com/listinfo.cgi/groop-groo.com > _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop From chad at riden.org Wed Mar 12 12:26:29 2003 From: chad at riden.org (Chad Riden) Date: Wed Mar 12 10:28:18 2003 Subject: [Groop] Groop Spam In-Reply-To: <3E6F7EDC.2070302@engr.colostate.edu> Message-ID: <24636CC2-54B8-11D7-820D-000A9579FB58@riden.org> On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 12:39 PM, jorge filevich wrote: > Does anybody else receive two copies of each Groop e-mail as I do > since yesterday? > Jorge F. > yup.. -- Thanks for putting up with my crap, Chad M. Riden http://www.ChadMRiden.com/ http://www.MangyDog.com/ http://www.NashvilleStandup.com/ From josh at newdream.net Wed Mar 12 11:19:11 2003 From: josh at newdream.net (Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones) Date: Wed Mar 12 11:19:26 2003 Subject: [Groop]groo cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Um.. okay I won't tell you! But if they WERE rubberbanded together, that would have been the way Mark sent them to me, and they would have looked fine when I got them. And that'd also be the way I'd be sending them out, and hopefully they'd still be fine.. Also, cards are about half gone (8 orders completed, one pending, one person having trouble accessing site.., 10 left!) so get on your horse if you want some! josh! On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Shawn Moore wrote: > please tell me that the groo cards are really not rubberbanded together? > The poor groo card will be damaged forever, not to mention the checklist. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Groop mailing list > Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop > From josh at newdream.net Wed Mar 12 11:23:31 2003 From: josh at newdream.net (Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones) Date: Wed Mar 12 11:24:15 2003 Subject: [Groop] Groop Spam In-Reply-To: <24636CC2-54B8-11D7-820D-000A9579FB58@riden.org> References: <24636CC2-54B8-11D7-820D-000A9579FB58@riden.org> Message-ID: Really? Really? Hmm, yeah I just noticed I've been getting two too (but my filters are set up to file away duplicate emails so I hadn't noticed). Um, things are a little screwy with the groo list right now, our sys admins decided to upgrade the mailman software a few days ago. And this being the _groo_ list it hasn't all gone according to plan. As for the spam, it's weird.. these spammers are apparently actually going to the trouble of subscribing to the groop! I've been getting notified when their first email is blocked, and then I guess they're actually subscribing and resending! I'm not sure what to do.. I'll figure something out! josh! On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Chad Riden wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 12:39 PM, jorge filevich wrote: > > > Does anybody else receive two copies of each Groop e-mail as I do > > since yesterday? > > Jorge F. > > > > > yup.. > > > > -- > Thanks for putting up with my crap, > > Chad M. Riden > http://www.ChadMRiden.com/ > http://www.MangyDog.com/ > http://www.NashvilleStandup.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Groop mailing list > Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop > From josh at newdream.net Wed Mar 12 11:32:50 2003 From: josh at newdream.net (Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones) Date: Wed Mar 12 11:33:27 2003 Subject: [Groop]groo cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Easy Peasy! (and I'm ccing the list in case anybody else missed it the first time).. just go to http://www.cardjones.com/card.php?card=GROO-SET and add one to your shopping cart (click the ## Available link) and then check out! It's $50 for the whole set and $5.03 shipping and the groo and sergio cards are signed by sergio and the mark card is signed by mark. Also, it's okay if you're International for this special groo deal! josh! p.s. And, of course use cardjones.com to sell or buy any other trading cards you've got extras of from now on forever! On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Jeff Allen wrote: > Josh, > > I think I missed the posting about these being offered to the group. i > would love to get a set of cards, what do I have to do? > > -Jeff Allen > Groop Uber-lurker > > > > > On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 02:19 PM, Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones wrote: > > > Um.. okay I won't tell you! > > > > > > But if they WERE rubberbanded together, that would have been the way > > Mark > > sent them to me, and they would have looked fine when I got them. And > > that'd also be the way I'd be sending them out, and hopefully they'd > > still > > be fine.. > > > > Also, cards are about half gone (8 orders completed, one pending, one > > person having trouble accessing site.., 10 left!) so get on your horse > > if > > you want some! > > > > josh! > > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Shawn Moore wrote: > > > >> please tell me that the groo cards are really not rubberbanded > >> together? > >> The poor groo card will be damaged forever, not to mention the > >> checklist. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Groop mailing list > >> Groop@groo.com > >> http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Groop mailing list > > Groop@groo.com > > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop > > > > From josh at newdream.net Wed Mar 12 11:29:56 2003 From: josh at newdream.net (Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones) Date: Wed Mar 12 11:35:28 2003 Subject: [Groop] Groop Spam In-Reply-To: References: <24636CC2-54B8-11D7-820D-000A9579FB58@riden.org> Message-ID: Ha I just figured it all out! (that was quick, eh?) Yesterday for some reason my posts weren't going to the list, and I thought the list was broken. Sick of the problems with upgrading, I started about making an entirely new groop list, in our DreamHost system proper (the current one is on our first server, kind of on the outskirts of the main system). After adding everybody to the new list, I was starting to mirror all the configuration settings when I noticed the REASON my posts weren't going through was because my email address was in the "discard messages from these addresses" list! I had apparently added it when I was using the admin section earlier to approve an earlier post of mine and clicked "add email address to filter". I thought that was the filter of addresses ALLOWED to post, not NOT allowed! So then I abandoned that new list I'd set up and stopped working on it. It turns out that when I set up that new list it edited the groop@groo.com alias to now ALSO email the new list! So that's why people have been getting two messages, and why spam was getting through (that new list wasn't set up right). So just now I BALEETED the old list completely and soon there should be no more spam and only one copy at a time. I think I'm a pretty good choice for a Groo list moderator. josh! On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones wrote: > Really? > > Really? > > Hmm, yeah I just noticed I've been getting two too (but my filters are set > up to file away duplicate emails so I hadn't noticed). > > Um, things are a little screwy with the groo list right now, our sys > admins decided to upgrade the mailman software a few days ago. And this > being the _groo_ list it hasn't all gone according to plan. > > As for the spam, it's weird.. these spammers are apparently actually going > to the trouble of subscribing to the groop! I've been getting > notified when their first email is blocked, and then I guess they're > actually subscribing and resending! I'm not sure what to do.. I'll figure > something out! > > josh! > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Chad Riden wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 12:39 PM, jorge filevich wrote: > > > > > Does anybody else receive two copies of each Groop e-mail as I do > > > since yesterday? > > > Jorge F. > > > > > > > > > yup.. > > > > > > > > -- > > Thanks for putting up with my crap, > > > > Chad M. Riden > > http://www.ChadMRiden.com/ > > http://www.MangyDog.com/ > > http://www.NashvilleStandup.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Groop mailing list > > Groop@groo.com > > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop > > > _______________________________________________ > Groop mailing list > Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop > From book at netcourrier.com Wed Mar 12 20:36:52 2003 From: book at netcourrier.com (Philippe Bruhat) Date: Wed Mar 12 11:36:58 2003 Subject: [Groop]Duplicates Message-ID: <20030312193652.GA1616@home.bruhat.net> Hi, I've been getting all the messages from the groop in double for a few days. I don't mind twice as much sillyness, but twice the same sillyness is not as good... Josh, the new messages I've been receiving are significatively different. I suspect you have a problem with mailman... Furthermore, it looks like the first duplicate message was from you: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:00:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Excerpt from headers of the usual messages: List-Id: The Groo Discussion List Excerpt from the new messages (the dupes): List-Id: The Groo Discussion List I received both messages on the same address (book@netcourrier.com), so I really am not the duplicate. The messages are. Am I the only one? (uh?) Any idea? -- Philippe "BooK" Bruhat The more destruction we spread, the more we destroy ourselves. (Moral from Groo #12 (Image)) From josh at newdream.net Wed Mar 12 12:12:33 2003 From: josh at newdream.net (Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones) Date: Wed Mar 12 12:13:29 2003 Subject: [Groop]Duplicates In-Reply-To: <20030312193652.GA1616@home.bruhat.net> References: <20030312193652.GA1616@home.bruhat.net> Message-ID: yup, all figured out! Lots of good detective work going on here. (Hey at this rate I'm going to win for most posts this year. Especially with the duplicates..) josh! On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Philippe Bruhat wrote: > Hi, > > I've been getting all the messages from the groop in double for a few > days. I don't mind twice as much sillyness, but twice the same > sillyness is not as good... > > Josh, the new messages I've been receiving are significatively > different. I suspect you have a problem with mailman... > > Furthermore, it looks like the first duplicate message was from you: > > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:00:29 -0800 (PST) > Message-ID: > > Excerpt from headers of the usual messages: > > List-Id: The Groo Discussion List > > Excerpt from the new messages (the dupes): > > List-Id: The Groo Discussion List > I received both messages on the same address (book@netcourrier.com), > so I really am not the duplicate. The messages are. > > Am I the only one? (uh?) Any idea? > > From melodicmusic at triad.rr.com Wed Mar 12 16:24:56 2003 From: melodicmusic at triad.rr.com (Scott King) Date: Wed Mar 12 13:25:13 2003 Subject: [Groop]TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST PLEASE Message-ID: <001b01c2e8dd$d421da40$0eac3842@triad.rr.com> I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS LIST TWICE! I HAVE ALSO REMOVED MYSELF FROM THE MAILING LIST ON THE WEBSITE, I DIDNT RECEIVE MAIL FOR A COUPLE WEEKS, NOW I AM AGAIN. PLEASE :) THX -Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030312/69c24501/attachment.html From book at netcourrier.com Wed Mar 12 22:38:52 2003 From: book at netcourrier.com (Philippe Bruhat) Date: Wed Mar 12 13:39:18 2003 Subject: [Groop]Duplicates In-Reply-To: References: <20030312193652.GA1616@home.bruhat.net> Message-ID: <20030312213852.GB1616@home.bruhat.net> Le mercredi 12 mars 2003 ? 12:12, Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones ?crivait: > yup, all figured out! Lots of good detective work going on here. > > (Hey at this rate I'm going to win for most posts this year. Especially > with the duplicates..) > Mmm, I seem to be slow of mind, as well. Looks like I wouldn't have had to go through all the detective work if I had read the new emails from the Groop first. :-) -- Philippe "BooK" Bruhat The shortest distance between two points is not always the safest. (Moral from Groo The Wanderer #69 (Epic)) From Pengyfelix at aol.com Wed Mar 12 20:06:50 2003 From: Pengyfelix at aol.com (Pengyfelix@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 12 17:07:09 2003 Subject: [Groop] Groop Spam Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2003 12:41:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, rage@engr.colostate.edu writes: > Does anybody else receive two copies of each Groop e-mail as I do since > yesterday? > Jorge F. I still am I still am Janet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030312/64310c90/attachment.html From mrgrooism at yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 21:36:02 2003 From: mrgrooism at yahoo.com (Larry Steller) Date: Wed Mar 12 21:36:06 2003 Subject: [Groop]Groop Membership Card (lack of) Update Message-ID: <20030313053602.44246.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Nothing new to report yet on the Groop Membership Cards, but I am HOPING to be able to get to the ordering phase in a week, two weeks TOPS! We'll see if my hopes are realistic! ===== ------------------------------- -Larry "Mr. Grooism" Steller Mendicant Second Class __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From grossfam at olywa.net Wed Mar 12 21:42:28 2003 From: grossfam at olywa.net (Gary Grossmann) Date: Wed Mar 12 21:40:10 2003 Subject: [Groop]Sergio in Seattle!! Message-ID: <007701c2e923$5632eb60$393d2a40@GaryGrossman> Hi Folks! Whohoo!! Sergio is coming to Seattle, September 19-21!! Gee, I think my birthday is in there somewhere. (Check out the announcement on Sergio's web site, which of course is run by Mark.) Hey, I know it's six months away, but it's just so cool!! It's only an hour north of where I live. I wasn't able to get up to Victoria to see Mark and Carolyn, but I'll be sure to get up to Seattle. Hey, Traci, You've got to come! Ruben, will you come down from Vancouver? Anybody else? The convention he'll be at is called Foolscap V, which is self described as a small convention and the details on it's site (http://www.foolscap.org/) are a little thin at this point, but who cares? Sergio will be there!!! So for those you up in this neck of the woods who find that San Diego and san Fransisco are just to far away, mark your calendars and I will see you in September! Take care -Gary G. From rarellano at shaw.ca Wed Mar 12 22:06:31 2003 From: rarellano at shaw.ca (Ruben Arellano) Date: Wed Mar 12 22:06:21 2003 Subject: [Groop]Sergio in Seattle!! References: <007701c2e923$5632eb60$393d2a40@GaryGrossman> Message-ID: <3E701FE7.40900@shaw.ca> Yes I will be there! Gary Grossmann wrote: >Hi Folks! > >Whohoo!! Sergio is coming to Seattle, September 19-21!! Gee, I think my >birthday is in there somewhere. (Check out the announcement on Sergio's web >site, which of course is run by Mark.) Hey, I know it's six months away, >but it's just so cool!! It's only an hour north of where I live. I wasn't >able to get up to Victoria to see Mark and Carolyn, but I'll be sure to get >up to Seattle. > >Hey, Traci, You've got to come! >Ruben, will you come down from Vancouver? >Anybody else? > >The convention he'll be at is called Foolscap V, which is self described as >a small convention and the details on it's site (http://www.foolscap.org/) >are a little thin at this point, but who cares? Sergio will be there!!! > >So for those you up in this neck of the woods who find that San Diego and >san Fransisco are just to far away, mark your calendars and I will see you >in September! Take care -Gary G. > > >_______________________________________________ >Groop mailing list >Groop@groo.com >http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop > > > From Chris.Emmett at uk.standardchartered.com Thu Mar 13 10:09:54 2003 From: Chris.Emmett at uk.standardchartered.com (Chris.Emmett@uk.standardchartered.com) Date: Thu Mar 13 02:09:56 2003 Subject: [Groop] Groop Spam Message-ID: --------------------------------------------------------- Any opinions, express or implied. presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Standard Chartered Group. --------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- >I think I'm a pretty good choice for a Groo list moderator. >josh! You managed to flood the list without a source of water. Definitely Groo. BTW, I just got the shipping notice. Thank you, thank you, thank you soooooo much. (And Mark, of course) Womble -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030313/88af5f5d/attachment.html From vaughn at sewardconsulting.com Thu Mar 13 08:06:50 2003 From: vaughn at sewardconsulting.com (Vaughn H. Seward) Date: Thu Mar 13 07:08:43 2003 Subject: [Groop]Groo #79 Question(s) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030313072827.00a9b190@pop3.norton.antivirus> *** WARNING *** If you have not read Marvel Groo #79, you may not want to read this email any further. *** WARNING *** As I have mentioned in the past I am slowly savoring my "complete" Groo collection for the first time. This week I have been reading Groo #79 (Marvel). Those of you who wish to re-live your early Groo-reading days can live through me vicariously over the next couple of months (maybe years). :-) Groo #79 is "The Monks of Monjes" issue and on page 24 Groo is concluding a discussion with "Elder Monk". In the third panel Rufferto spies a green frog hopping by and in the fourth panel his is busy munching on it. At this moment a group of monks run past in pursuit of "Elder Monk" and Groo and Rufferto are drawn into a fray. Needless to say the frog is dropped and in the last panel Rufferto is chewing on a monk's leg and the frog ends up sitting in a mud puddle. The frog has a relieved expression on its face and is blowing out a puff of air as if to say, "Whew!" My question is, what is the frog doing with its left arm? To me it appears he is rubbing the sweat of his brow with a white hankie. But is it a hankie? If so, where did it come from? Perhaps a monk dropped it as there are other white objects strewn on the fray-field (i.e. a prayer wheel and a tiny skull attached to some beads). I think the frog is kind of cute. I am surprised it didn't become part of the cast like Rufferto did. I don't want to ruin the surprise for myself but I am wondering if we'll encounter Mr. frog in future Groo adventures. P.S. For Gary Grossman: I counted five occurrences of Groo on page 24 (one in which he is swinging his sword). I wonder what the most dense (I wanted to say "densest") Groo issue there is...that is, the issue with the most Groo sightings. I suppose the upper limit would be 6 per page times 22 or 24 pages plus a few extra if Groo dreams about himself or a wizard creates a double or something. ~Vaughn Seward From josh at newdream.net Thu Mar 13 10:40:28 2003 From: josh at newdream.net (Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones) Date: Thu Mar 13 10:41:12 2003 Subject: [Groop] Groop Spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > BTW, I just got the shipping notice. Thank you, thank you, thank you > soooooo much. (And Mark, of course) No problem! And also, because of worry about the rubber bands, last night I ordered little plastic card boxes to ship the rest of the sets out, just to be safe (my apologies to the first seven orders, but really I think the cards'll be fine!). The thing is, they probably won't arrive until Monday or so, so I'm going to hold off on shipping out any more cards until I get those plastic boxes. I hope that's okay with everybody! Finally, there are only 7(ish - 10 actually but 3 people are in the process of ordering right now..) sets left! Hurry and get yours before they're gone! http://www.cardjones.com/card.php?card=GROO-SET josh! From bjtrapp at sasktel.net Thu Mar 13 17:56:25 2003 From: bjtrapp at sasktel.net (bj.trapp) Date: Thu Mar 13 15:57:19 2003 Subject: [Groop] PRINCE spam References: <20030312171510.2CADC5B774@smaug.dreamhost.com> Message-ID: <3E711AA9.790C5575@sasktel.net> Hi, I recently changed my email address (6 months) because of spam. So far I have had none coming to this address. But time logged at 2 minutes after the one that arrived via the Groo-list I got it again. Just wondering if anyone else on the list had a similar appearance of this scam letter. Bunny MRS MARIAM SESESEKO wrote: > > DEAR FRIEND, > > I AM MRS. SESE-SEKO WIDOW OF LATE PRESIDENT MOBUTU > SESE-SEKO OF ZAIRE? NOW KNOWN AS DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC > From grossfam at olywa.net Thu Mar 13 18:54:26 2003 From: grossfam at olywa.net (Gary Grossmann) Date: Thu Mar 13 18:52:23 2003 Subject: [Groop]Groo #79 Question(s) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030313072827.00a9b190@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <004601c2e9d5$07088560$393d2a40@GaryGrossman> Hi Folks! Vaughn, you are one of me!! That is a mighty cute little froggy with a mighty cute little hankie. As to where the hankie came from, well, heck, he took it out of the breast pocket of his sport coat right where he was taught to keep it in tadpole school. (It's a green spotted sport coat. The frogs upper body is actually flourecent orange with purple stripes.) I thought maybe it was a story that took place after Groo #99 and the frog was Arcadio, but his chin isn't nearly big enough. Besides, Groo #96-#99 are actually make believe stories in the make believe world of Groo that the Sage made up. (But they seemed so real!!!) OK, now I've given myself a headache. Take care all -Gary "Where's the Aspirin?" G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vaughn H. Seward" To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:06 AM Subject: [Groop]Groo #79 Question(s) > *** WARNING *** > > If you have not read Marvel Groo #79, you may not want to read this email > any further. > > *** WARNING *** > > As I have mentioned in the past I am slowly savoring my "complete" Groo > collection for the first time. This week I have been reading Groo #79 > (Marvel). Those of you who wish to re-live your early Groo-reading days can > live through me vicariously over the next couple of months (maybe years). :-) > > Groo #79 is "The Monks of Monjes" issue and on page 24 Groo is concluding a > discussion with "Elder Monk". In the third panel Rufferto spies a green > frog hopping by and in the fourth panel his is busy munching on it. At this > moment a group of monks run past in pursuit of "Elder Monk" and Groo and > Rufferto are drawn into a fray. Needless to say the frog is dropped and in > the last panel Rufferto is chewing on a monk's leg and the frog ends up > sitting in a mud puddle. The frog has a relieved expression on its face and > is blowing out a puff of air as if to say, "Whew!" > > My question is, what is the frog doing with its left arm? To me it appears > he is rubbing the sweat of his brow with a white hankie. But is it a > hankie? If so, where did it come from? Perhaps a monk dropped it as there > are other white objects strewn on the fray-field (i.e. a prayer wheel and a > tiny skull attached to some beads). > > I think the frog is kind of cute. I am surprised it didn't become part of > the cast like Rufferto did. I don't want to ruin the surprise for myself > but I am wondering if we'll encounter Mr. frog in future Groo adventures. > > P.S. For Gary Grossman: I counted five occurrences of Groo on page 24 (one > in which he is swinging his sword). I wonder what the most dense (I wanted > to say "densest") Groo issue there is...that is, the issue with the most > Groo sightings. I suppose the upper limit would be 6 per page times 22 or > 24 pages plus a few extra if Groo dreams about himself or a wizard creates > a double or something. > > ~Vaughn Seward > > _______________________________________________ > Groop mailing list > Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop > From grossfam at olywa.net Thu Mar 13 19:13:52 2003 From: grossfam at olywa.net (Gary Grossmann) Date: Thu Mar 13 19:11:49 2003 Subject: [Groop]Sergio in Seattle!! References: <001b01c2e9b0$8a114a20$6501a8c0@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <004d01c2e9d7$bdef1d00$393d2a40@GaryGrossman> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles L. Klein" To: "'Gary Grossmann'" Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 2:33 PM Subject: RE: [Groop]Sergio in Seattle!! > Does that mean he's coming to your place for dinner? > Oh, I seriously doubt it. But my wife will bake him a big loave of bread and give him some homemade jam to go with it. He'll have to churn his own butter. > Actually, I've always wanted to see Seattle. Perhaps if I can afford it I > will make it to this one (as I won't be making the Motor City Con nor San > Diego this year). Gak! I forget. Where will you be coming from? Take care -Gary G. From Bodhikt at aol.com Fri Mar 14 00:57:28 2003 From: Bodhikt at aol.com (Bodhikt@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 13 21:57:37 2003 Subject: [Groop]FYI: Top 10 tech countries Message-ID: <11d.1fd4cecf.2ba2c948@aol.com> Top 10 tech-ready countries Which nation is best at putting information and communications technology to use? According to a new study by the World Economic Forum, the World Bank, and other participants, it's Finland ? not the USA. The Top 10 are: 1. Finland 2. US 3. Singapore 4. Sweden 5. Iceland 6. Canada 7. Britain 8. Denmark 9. Taiwan 10. Germany Groop members in at least four of these..... Kaytee "God may be One, but God loves diversity". Horaku -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030314/662e52f0/attachment.html From mightyhero at mail.com Fri Mar 14 09:13:02 2003 From: mightyhero at mail.com (E C) Date: Fri Mar 14 00:13:07 2003 Subject: [Groop]What did I miss? Message-ID: <20030314081303.63201.qmail@mail.com> Hi guys/grrls! Gary wrote: >I didn't book thru the Con, but I know that >you can after a certain date. >Check their web site. http://www.comic->con.org/Pages/CCIWhatsNew.html They are >usually very good about letting you know >things like that. It looks like hotel rates are higher this year. It might be a good idea to reserve a room and rental car as soon as possible. See you. Eric -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From culdagor at netcabo.pt Fri Mar 14 10:00:34 2003 From: culdagor at netcabo.pt (Culdagor) Date: Fri Mar 14 02:01:28 2003 Subject: [Groop]FYI: Top 10 tech countries References: <11d.1fd4cecf.2ba2c948@aol.com> Message-ID: <007601c2ea10$8e5e8290$c05c16d5@Vingilote> I knew the Finns had it when I bought one of their waterproof computers. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bodhikt@aol.com To: groop@groo.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 5:57 AM Subject: [Groop]FYI: Top 10 tech countries Top 10 tech-ready countries Which nation is best at putting information and communications technology to use? According to a new study by the World Economic Forum, the World Bank, and other participants, it's Finland ? not the USA. The Top 10 are: 1. Finland 2. US 3. Singapore 4. Sweden 5. Iceland 6. Canada 7. Britain 8. Denmark 9. Taiwan 10. German y Groop members in at least four of these..... Kaytee "God may be One, but God loves diversity". Horaku ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030314/9ee09873/attachment.html From Chris.Emmett at uk.standardchartered.com Fri Mar 14 10:27:16 2003 From: Chris.Emmett at uk.standardchartered.com (Chris.Emmett@uk.standardchartered.com) Date: Fri Mar 14 02:26:59 2003 Subject: [Groop] PRINCE spam Message-ID: --------------------------------------------------------- Any opinions, express or implied. presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Standard Chartered Group. --------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- >that arrived via the Groo-list I got it again. Just >wondering if anyone else on the list had a similar >appearance of this scam letter. That one looks familiar to me. I remember wondering if there really was a "LATE PRESIDENT MOBUTU SESE-SEKO OF ZAIRE". I enjoy reading these things to see what new way of justifying or rationalising excessive greed and theft will be used to hook the punters. Is it true that there is a US agency interested in receiving details of all these cons? Womble -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030314/dfd614df/attachment.html From rick at flyingbuffalo.com Fri Mar 14 12:33:59 2003 From: rick at flyingbuffalo.com (Rick Loomis) Date: Fri Mar 14 12:17:23 2003 Subject: [Groop]Re: Spam and stuff In-Reply-To: <20030314200016.51A7F252113@destro.newdream.net> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20030314123359.019f7e0c@pop.business.earthlink.net> At 12:00 PM 3/14/03 -0800, you wrote: >From: Chris.Emmett@uk.standardchartered.com >Subject: Re: [Groop] PRINCE spam >To: groop@groo.com >Message-ID: >That one looks familiar to me. I remember wondering if there really was a >"LATE PRESIDENT MOBUTU SESE-SEKO OF ZAIRE". >I enjoy reading these things to see what new way of justifying or >rationalising excessive greed and theft will be used to hook the punters. >Is it true that there is a US agency interested in receiving details of >all these cons? > >Womble Those scams are also spam, and there is a govt agency that collects spam. Forward a copy of your spams to uce@ftc.gov (uce= unwanted commercial email) they won't reply and I don't know if they will *DO* anything about it, but they are collecting it for at least statistical purposes. Rick Flying Buffalo Inc www.flyingbuffalo.com PO Box 1467, Scottsdale, AZ 85252 480-945-6917 fax 480-994-1170 From melodicmusic at triad.rr.com Fri Mar 14 15:39:02 2003 From: melodicmusic at triad.rr.com (Scott King) Date: Fri Mar 14 12:39:39 2003 Subject: [Groop]TAKE ME OFF THIS GODFORSAKEN LIST PLEASE Message-ID: <001401c2ea69$bfcc5420$0eac3842@triad.rr.com> I have asked 3 times now to be taken off the list, and also removed myself from the list on the website, if i am not taken off by MONDAY, this list will start getting about 100 worthless emails a day, sorry hate to be that way, but i have been very patient waiting to be removed. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030314/d56fdeed/attachment.html From GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV Fri Mar 14 12:49:27 2003 From: GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV (Grossmann, Gary) Date: Fri Mar 14 12:49:35 2003 Subject: [Groop]TAKE ME OFF THIS GODFORSAKEN LIST PLEASE Message-ID: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB461@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> Maybe the reason you are still on the list has something to do with the problems Josh was sorting out and fixing a couple days ago. I am probably the most low tech person on the list, but I would suggest trying to take yourself off one more time now that everything is fixed. If that doesn't work or if you've already done it, then I guess everything isn't fixed and Josh has one more thing to take care of. Actually two. The other is taking you off the list. -Gary G. PS 100 worthless e-mails per day? Hmmm. Well, if we otherwise average 6 or so per day, that will be 106 or so worthless e-mails per day. (It's the obvious line, but someone had to say it.) -----Original Message----- From: Scott King [mailto:melodicmusic@triad.rr.com] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:39 PM To: groop@groo.com Subject: [Groop]TAKE ME OFF THIS GODFORSAKEN LIST PLEASE I have asked 3 times now to be taken off the list, and also removed myself from the list on the website, if i am not taken off by MONDAY, this list will start getting about 100 worthless emails a day, sorry hate to be that way, but i have been very patient waiting to be removed. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030314/05a5ea5b/attachment.html From Bodhikt at aol.com Fri Mar 14 19:28:27 2003 From: Bodhikt at aol.com (Bodhikt@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 14 16:28:36 2003 Subject: [Groop]What did I miss? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/14/2003 12:13:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, mightyhero@mail.com writes: > It looks like hotel rates are higher this > year. It might be a good idea to reserve > a room and rental car as soon as possible. The hotels in "Hotel Circle" are quite a bit cheaper than the ones downtown, and the HC trolley station should be open by then. If not, it's not all that far to Old Town, where there already is a trolley stn in operation. With parking at the convention center up to $8/day, and gas prices over $2/gal already, the trolley may be the cheaper option, unless you have a full carload of people, and/or stuff you need to transport.... It's possible to get bus passes that will allow you to ride whenever/however many times you need within a certain time period-- check with www.sdcommute.com . Kaytee http://www.eclecticbeadery.com/simplexities.html http://www.rubylane.com/shops/simplexities -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030314/1c877ab0/attachment.html From mrgrooism at yahoo.com Fri Mar 14 16:49:19 2003 From: mrgrooism at yahoo.com (Larry Steller) Date: Fri Mar 14 16:49:22 2003 Subject: [Groop]TAKE ME OFF THIS GODFORSAKEN LIST PLEASE In-Reply-To: <001401c2ea69$bfcc5420$0eac3842@triad.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030315004919.57134.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Scott: I have no idea why you have been unable to unsubscribe, the various times I've unsubscribed because of email address changes or whatever, I've done so without a hitch. I wish you the best of luck, and suggest that you try it again through www.groo.com. Realize this, however. The subscribers to The Groo List are in no way responsible for your situation. Attacking strangers who have never done you an ounce of harm is a despicable act, one I hope you think twice about. If you do indeed decide to punish us for no reason, realize that what you intend to do is illegal, and I will in fact personally pursue prosecution for harrassment, and will encourage the rest of the Groop to do so as well. I hope it doesn't come to this, and am sincere in wishing you well in all of your endeavors. Peace, Larry S. aka mrgrooism Scott King wrote: I have asked 3 times now to be taken off the list, and also removed myself from the list on the website, if i am not taken off by MONDAY, this list will start getting about 100 worthless emails a day, sorry hate to be that way, but i have been very patient waiting to be removed. _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop Scott King wrote:I have asked 3 times now to be taken off the list, and also removed myself from the list on the website, if i am not taken off by MONDAY, this list will start getting about 100 worthless emails a day, sorry hate to be that way, but i have been very patient waiting to be removed. _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop ------------------------------- -Larry "Mr. Grooism" Steller Mendicant Second Class --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030314/26865462/attachment.html From msudol0928 at rogers.com Sat Mar 15 10:45:19 2003 From: msudol0928 at rogers.com (Ugly Person) Date: Sat Mar 15 07:48:55 2003 Subject: [Groop]TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST PLEASE References: <001b01c2e8dd$d421da40$0eac3842@triad.rr.com> Message-ID: <002201c2eb09$e2a21020$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott King To: Groop@groo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:24 PM Subject: [Groop]TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST PLEASE >I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS LIST TWICE! Who asked you to do this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030315/163dcb79/attachment.html From msudol0928 at rogers.com Sat Mar 15 10:49:34 2003 From: msudol0928 at rogers.com (Ugly Person) Date: Sat Mar 15 07:53:08 2003 Subject: Fw: [Groop]TAKE ME OFF THIS GODFORSAKEN LIST PLEASE Message-ID: <006601c2eb0a$79d99c60$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott King To: groop@groo.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:39 PM Subject: [Groop]TAKE ME OFF THIS GODFORSAKEN LIST PLEASE >I have asked 3 times now to be taken off the list, and also removed myself from the list on the website, if i am not taken off by >MONDAY, this list will start getting about 100 worthless emails a day, sorry hate to be that way, but i have been very >patient waiting to be removed. That's okay. I can killfile you so I don't receive your 100 worthless emails a day and continue sending the replies to YOU. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030315/9e1b0a5d/attachment-0001.html From msudol0928 at rogers.com Sat Mar 15 10:51:39 2003 From: msudol0928 at rogers.com (Ugly Person) Date: Sat Mar 15 07:55:18 2003 Subject: [Groop]TAKE ME OFF THIS GODFORSAKEN LIST PLEASE References: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB461@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> Message-ID: <008801c2eb0a$c6afb740$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Grossmann, Gary To: 'Scott King' ; groop@groo.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: RE: [Groop]TAKE ME OFF THIS GODFORSAKEN LIST PLEASE Maybe the reason you are still on the list has something to do with the problems Josh was sorting out and fixing a couple days ago. I am probably the most low tech person on the list, but I would suggest trying to take yourself off one more time now that everything is fixed. If that doesn't work or if you've already done it, then I guess everything isn't fixed and Josh has one more thing to take care of. Actually two. The other is taking you off the list. -Gary G. PS 100 worthless e-mails per day? Hmmm. Well, if we otherwise average 6 or so per day, that will be 106 or so worthless e-mails per day. (It's the obvious line, but someone had to say it.) Regardless, a trip to yahoogroups always works. Personal preferences rather than to the Groop page. If THAT doesn't work then it means he can't escape any other lists either. Then it's not the list's problem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030315/a9da9126/attachment.html From sitruc46 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 15 08:06:06 2003 From: sitruc46 at yahoo.com (Curtis Rosinbaum) Date: Sat Mar 15 08:06:09 2003 Subject: [Groop]Groo trading cards Message-ID: <20030315160606.4130.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Josh, I received the trading cards yesterday afternoon. All are in good shape, including the rubberband. Mark, I have read the back of all the cards except for number 44 (still trying to interpet the pig latin). Of course I bought the wrong kind of card holder for these things, not realizing that there are sets of 9 that go together.Anyway back to the drawing board... Thanks Josh and Mark for the chance to purchase the set at a decent price. I still think it is a great birthday present to myself. Sitruc the Great __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From josh at newdream.net Sat Mar 15 12:04:25 2003 From: josh at newdream.net (Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones) Date: Sat Mar 15 12:05:54 2003 Subject: [Groop]Groo trading cards In-Reply-To: <20030315160606.4130.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030315160606.4130.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey no problem Curtis/Sitruc! And for anybody still considering getting the packs.. you'd better hurry up, there are only 4 left (it says 5 but one payment is pending)! http://www.cardjones.com/card.php?card=GROO-SET josh! On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Curtis Rosinbaum wrote: > Josh, > I received the trading cards yesterday afternoon. > All are in good shape, including the rubberband. > Mark, I have read the back of all the cards except > for number 44 (still trying to interpet the pig > latin). > Of course I bought the wrong kind of card holder for > these things, not realizing that there are sets of 9 > that go together.Anyway back to the drawing board... > Thanks Josh and Mark for the chance to purchase the > set at a decent price. I still think it is a great > birthday present to myself. > Sitruc the Great > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Groop mailing list > Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop > From Yodazone at aol.com Sun Mar 16 15:03:18 2003 From: Yodazone at aol.com (Yodazone@aol.com) Date: Sun Mar 16 12:03:28 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... Message-ID: <15.cba141c.2ba63286@aol.com> How about a Groo animated series??? How cool would that be? Star Wars is getting their own series by the cartoon network and look how many bad cartoons are out there already. Groo would make a funny show plus there are tons of stories to adapt them from all of the comics. Any chance of a series happening? Jorge -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They want it to become a corporate asset the way Time-Warner owns Superman and Bugs Bunny, or Disney owns Mickey Mouse and Goofy. The only exception to this is when the character is so famous and established before-hand that they don't feel their investment is helping to make the property famous. We've been approached a number of times about doing a GROO series. Some of the offers expected to wind up owning the character. Others didn't but the company was demanding so much control that Sergio and I felt we didn't want to entrust our silly barbarian to that situation. So none of those deals have ever happened. That said, there are occasions in the business where one finds situations that one finds workable. Sergio and I are currently developing a cartoon series for Cartoon Network but it isn't GROO. I don't want to talk too much about it now because these things have a way of falling through. But we do have an animation project pending and if it goes, it may give us the clout to do GROO the way we want. ------------------------------ www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in my backyard. From CKlein at mn.rr.com Sun Mar 16 21:34:32 2003 From: CKlein at mn.rr.com (Charles L. Klein) Date: Sun Mar 16 19:34:46 2003 Subject: [Groop]What did I miss? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003501c2ec36$20ab94e0$6501a8c0@mn.rr.com> >From my experience last year (since I was by myself and didn't get any sight-seeing in) I found I didn't even need the car at all. I had rented one, but I only drove it from the airport to my hotel and back. In between my hotel and the convention center were buses running all the time that were free (I don't know if it'll be the same this year or not). I know that Scott has a box he lugs around on his shoulder all day long, so I'm sure it's nice to have the car parked close (as he gets there really early, he gets a spot), but if you don't have a lot to carry, the shuttle buses are nice as well. That's my two kopins worth at least. -----Original Message----- From: groop-bounces@groo.com [mailto:groop-bounces@groo.com]On Behalf Of Bodhikt@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 6:28 PM To: groop@groo.com Subject: Re: [Groop]What did I miss? In a message dated 3/14/2003 12:13:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, mightyhero@mail.com writes: It looks like hotel rates are higher this year. It might be a good idea to reserve a room and rental car as soon as possible. The hotels in "Hotel Circle" are quite a bit cheaper than the ones downtown, and the HC trolley station should be open by then. If not, it's not all that far to Old Town, where there already is a trolley stn in operation. With parking at the convention center up to $8/day, and gas prices over $2/gal already, the trolley may be the cheaper option, unless you have a full carload of people, and/or stuff you need to transport.... It's possible to get bus passes that will allow you to ride whenever/however many times you need within a certain time period-- check with www.sdcommute.com . Kaytee http://www.eclecticbeadery.com/simplexities.html http://www.rubylane.com/shops/simplexities -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030316/51d9369c/attachment.html From grossfam at olywa.net Sun Mar 16 21:03:53 2003 From: grossfam at olywa.net (Gary Grossmann) Date: Sun Mar 16 21:01:31 2003 Subject: [Groop]What did I miss? References: <003501c2ec36$20ab94e0$6501a8c0@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <00ce01c2ec42$9c2285a0$543d2a40@GaryGrossman> I agree with Charles! When I'm there by myself, I never rent a car. Finding parking is awful, awful, awful! And pretty much anywhere interesting that is too far to walk has a convenient bus or tram running to it. Last year I rented a car because I didn't get a hotel close enough to the convention center for Becky & Claire to walk. But this year I didn't make that mistake so we are going car-less. Take care all -Gary G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles L. Klein To: groop@groo.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: RE: [Groop]What did I miss? From my experience last year (since I was by myself and didn't get any sight-seeing in) I found I didn't even need the car at all. I had rented one, but I only drove it from the airport to my hotel and back. In between my hotel and the convention center were buses running all the time that were free (I don't know if it'll be the same this year or not). I know that Scott has a box he lugs around on his shoulder all day long, so I'm sure it's nice to have the car parked close (as he gets there really early, he gets a spot), but if you don't have a lot to carry, the shuttle buses are nice as well. That's my two kopins worth at least. -----Original Message----- From: groop-bounces@groo.com [mailto:groop-bounces@groo.com]On Behalf Of Bodhikt@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 6:28 PM To: groop@groo.com Subject: Re: [Groop]What did I miss? In a message dated 3/14/2003 12:13:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, mightyhero@mail.com writes: It looks like hotel rates are higher this year. It might be a good idea to reserve a room and rental car as soon as possible. The hotels in "Hotel Circle" are quite a bit cheaper than the ones downtown, and the HC trolley station should be open by then. If not, it's not all that far to Old Town, where there already is a trolley stn in operation. With parking at the convention center up to $8/day, and gas prices over $2/gal already, the trolley may be the cheaper option, unless you have a full carload of people, and/or stuff you need to transport.... It's possible to get bus passes that will allow you to ride whenever/however many times you need within a certain time period-- check with www.sdcommute.com . Kaytee http://www.eclecticbeadery.com/simplexities.html http://www.rubylane.com/shops/simplexities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030317/dac6ab1c/attachment-0001.html From msudol0928 at rogers.com Mon Mar 17 08:29:32 2003 From: msudol0928 at rogers.com (Ugly Person) Date: Mon Mar 17 05:33:00 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... References: <15.cba141c.2ba63286@aol.com> Message-ID: <002401c2ec89$3f040d20$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Yodazone@aol.com To: groop@groo.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... How about a Groo animated series??? How cool would that be? Star Wars is getting their own series by the cartoon network and look how many bad cartoons are out there already. Groo would make a funny show plus there are tons of stories to adapt them from all of the comics. Any chance of a series happening? The closest I've seen on this is of course the classic work on Dick Clark's "bloopers" shows. To actually hear Groo's voice? I'd picture it part way between Fred Flintstone and Captain Caveman actually (remember him?). And I refer to the original Fred Flintstone, the late great Alan Reed. Still, some things don't make a very good transition. As of lately there seems to be a trend of making live action movies and/or TV shows based on cartoons and/or comic books. Richie Rich, Casper, George of the Jungle, Sabrina - to name only a few off the top of my Groo-sized mind. None of which I was particularly fond of. I suppose they have their following - their limited appeal. Even the transition of Richie Rich from comic book to cartoon didn't sit right with me, however (although I always enjoyed the classic Casper cartoons). You win some you lose some. But some of us are content with Groo coming alive in our minds instad of on TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030317/2fb7d0b1/attachment.html From msudol0928 at rogers.com Mon Mar 17 08:40:25 2003 From: msudol0928 at rogers.com (Ugly Person) Date: Mon Mar 17 05:43:54 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... References: <15.cba141c.2ba63286@aol.com> Message-ID: <002a01c2ec8a$c3f2b3a0$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Evanier" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [Groop]Cartoon show.... >We've been approached a number of times about doing a GROO series. >Some of the offers expected to wind up owning the character. Others >didn't but the company was demanding so much control that Sergio and I >felt we didn't want to entrust our silly barbarian to that situation. >So none of those deals have ever happened. It's still hard to believe that the "real" Mark Evanier would be available to echange email with. Neat! Now if only Sergio would join in...... Sadly I've learned that what you say is true from follwing Charles Schulz's "Peanuts" comic strip. Two glaring discrepancies: 1) In the comic strip, the little red-haired girl is never seen. In animation one is seen, although the jury is still out whether it's the "real" little red-haired girl or not. 2) In the comic strip, adults are NEVER seen or heard. Even in the classic cartoon specials from the 60's, adults are never seen, and the most you get from adult dialogue is "mwa-mwa-mwaa". Later cartoons, the occasional adult IS seen and/or heard. At my first encounter with this, I thought the world turned upside down. Really. I could hardly believe it. A usenet discussion revealed just as you said - the animation powers-that-be at the time superceded Schulzs' creative standards and apparently deemed adult appearances to be necessary or at least acceptable. I still feel uneasy about that. Any changes to the established Groo format probably wouldn't go well with me either. Except that Groo's hair looked better with the brown tinge to it in the post-Pacific issues. So I vote (which usually doesn't count): no. Groo makes a great character as he is. Animation is not necessary. From grossfam at olywa.net Mon Mar 17 07:03:30 2003 From: grossfam at olywa.net (Gary Grossmann) Date: Mon Mar 17 07:01:01 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... References: <15.cba141c.2ba63286@aol.com> <002a01c2ec8a$c3f2b3a0$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <012001c2ec96$60147c40$543d2a40@GaryGrossman> > > Groo makes a great character as > he is. Animation is not necessary. > Yes, of course, this is true. But since there will never be an animated Groo without Sergio & Mark firmly in charge, if there IS an animated Groo, it will be great. I just hope that whatever project they are working on doesn't fall through. Even if it doesn't lead to Groo, animated Sergio wordsmithed and directed by Mark would be wonderful. -Gary G. From Groosagi16 at cs.com Mon Mar 17 12:03:40 2003 From: Groosagi16 at cs.com (Groosagi16@cs.com) Date: Mon Mar 17 09:03:52 2003 Subject: [Groop]TAKE ME OFF THIS GODFORSAKEN LIST PLEASE Message-ID: <55.3b56b2c3.2ba759ec@cs.com> In a message dated 3/14/2003 7:50:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrgrooism@yahoo.com writes: > If you do indeed decide to punish us for no reason, realize that what you > intend to do is illegal, and I will in fact personally pursue prosecution > for harrassment, and will encourage the rest of the Groop to do so as well. > ----------------->Class action? Class Action??? CLASS ACTION!!!!!!! Yeah, that's the ticket. Larry, I'll put your name first on the list. Class action. Hehhehheh. Hahahahaha. BwooooAHHHHHHhahHHHaAAAhAHAHHAHAHHA! Heh. Groosagi, Esq. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030317/7316859a/attachment.html From mail at evanier.com Mon Mar 17 09:42:37 2003 From: mail at evanier.com (Mark Evanier) Date: Mon Mar 17 09:42:48 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... In-Reply-To: <002a01c2ec8a$c3f2b3a0$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> References: <15.cba141c.2ba63286@aol.com> <002a01c2ec8a$c3f2b3a0$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <582c7vsr9ru2jpd21eh6r592ljtihvb6eg@4ax.com> On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:40:25 -0500, "Ugly Person" wrote: >Sadly I've learned that what you say is true from follwing Charles Schulz's >"Peanuts" comic strip. >Two glaring discrepancies: > >1) In the comic strip, the little red-haired girl is never seen. > In animation one is seen, although the jury is still out whether it's >the "real" little red-haired girl or not. > >2) In the comic strip, adults are NEVER seen or heard. Even in the classic >cartoon specials from the 60's, adults are never seen, and the most you get >from adult dialogue is "mwa-mwa-mwaa". Later cartoons, the occasional adult >IS seen and/or heard. At my first encounter with this, I thought the world >turned upside down. Really. I could hardly believe it. A usenet discussion >revealed just as you said - the animation powers-that-be at the time >superceded Schulzs' creative standards and apparently deemed adult >appearances to be necessary or at least acceptable. ME: No, they didn't. Schulz had absolute control over the PEANUTS animation. I was peripherally involved in some of those shows, and nothing happened in them unless he wanted it to happen. But that kind of control is the exception, not the rule. ------------------------------ www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in my backyard. From mail at evanier.com Mon Mar 17 09:45:50 2003 From: mail at evanier.com (Mark Evanier) Date: Mon Mar 17 09:46:00 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... In-Reply-To: <1047879707.3e75601b316e5@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu> References: <15.cba141c.2ba63286@aol.com> <1047879707.3e75601b316e5@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu> Message-ID: <392c7vcdr13vknu38m0r9nrb4s1rus4hon@4ax.com> On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:41:47 -0500, jo567779@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu wrote: >I cannot envision any Groo television show without thinking of the Tom & Jerry >cartoons (made for television in the 60's) where they are friends and holding >hands. They mangled what had been a great relationship in movie shorts. I feel >the same would happen to Groo were you to turn it over to some conglomerate. > >The first thing to go would be the frays, the slaying. Groo would just walk >around and act stupid, and people would take advantage of him. Maybe Rufferto >would be allowed to bite people on the rump, but that'd be about it. I can't >see how this cartoon could survive the transition to an animated series. But if >there is a way, I know you and Sergio will find it. :) ME: In fairness to the animation business, I doubt the kind of thing that happened with Tom and Jerry would happen today. That was a more repressive time. But it also happened because the characters' creators -- in this case, Bill Hanna and Joe Barbera -- decided to take that deal and not say, "No, we'd rather not do that to the characters." Like anything else, if you aren't willing to say no, they trample right over you. ------------------------------ www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in my backyard. From CrazySketchbook at aol.com Mon Mar 17 16:51:12 2003 From: CrazySketchbook at aol.com (CrazySketchbook@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 17 13:51:26 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... Message-ID: <162.1d875e54.2ba79d50@aol.com> In a message dated 3/17/03 7:01:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, grossfam@olywa.net writes: > Yes, of course, this is true. But since there will never be an animated > Groo without Sergio & Mark firmly in charge, if there IS an animated Groo, > it will be great. > > I just hope that whatever project they are working on doesn't fall through. > Even if it doesn't lead to Groo, animated Sergio wordsmithed and directed > by > Mark would be wonderful. > > -Gary G. I am often curious as to why fans constantly clamor for animated versions of their characters... not to say that I am above this, as I would love to see an animated Groo some day. But why aren't people satisifed with the characters in their current forms? This is my theory, let me know your opinion of it: When I read Groo, I have an idea of Groo's voice, the way he moves, the way he acts. This, in comic book form, is only conveyed in a series of static images... your mind must fill in the voices, and what takes place *between* the panels. So I think deep down, what we want is just some sort of assurance that we are indeed imagining these things correctly. Now, if we are good fans, we would watch this hypothetical Groo cartoon, and immediately go "Oh, THAT's how they are supposed to be percieved." But if we are crappy fans, we would immediately jump up and shout about how the cartoon didn't do justice to the comic... which, unfortunately, I've seen happen with other translations to the screen. Any thoughts? Is this just a lot of hot air, or is there some meaning behind all of this ranting I do? --- Tyler Sticka, cartoonist at large. Visit TYLERSTICKA.TRIPOD.COM for free art and cartoons! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030317/1fa6f8e7/attachment.html From chad at riden.org Mon Mar 17 16:03:43 2003 From: chad at riden.org (Chad Riden) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:03:49 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... In-Reply-To: <162.1d875e54.2ba79d50@aol.com> Message-ID: <519650E6-58C4-11D7-8660-000A9579FB58@riden.org> > > I am often curious as to why fans constantly clamor for animated > versions of their characters... Sergio's art fascinates me on paper and in animation form. Groo's world is just so cool.. I think an animated version of it would be an instant classic. When it comes down to it, though.. my desire for a Groo cartoon is purely selfish.. I want more Groo. -- Thanks for putting up with my crap, Chad M. Riden http://www.ChadMRiden.com/ http://www.MangyDog.com/ http://www.NashvilleStandup.com/ From GROO91 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 17:53:01 2003 From: GROO91 at aol.com (GROO91@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:53:23 2003 Subject: [Groop]Re: Groop Digest, Vol 1, Issue 46 Message-ID: <204B3292.6749914B.00045A7D@aol.com> All I know is, a cartton would rock, along with a video game and action figures. I go to film school, and I have always wanted to direct the Groo movie, with Jack Black as GROO he would be perfect! From GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV Mon Mar 17 15:45:47 2003 From: GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV (Grossmann, Gary) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:45:53 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... Message-ID: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB463@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> > More than ever now, we have a situation where the studios that > produce the shows want to own the property in perpetuity. They > want it to become a corporate asset. So Craig McCracken, Van Partible, and Genndy Tartakovsky don't own the Power Puff Girls, Johnny Bravo, and Dexter's Laboratory, respectively? That stinks. Is it possible that then unknown creators like them could have gotten a decent contract for new cartoons that turned into big hits or is it pretty much a given that they were reduced to little more than hired help at a fixed price regardless of ratings, comic book deals, movies, merchandising, etc? -Gary G. From mail at evanier.com Mon Mar 17 15:56:13 2003 From: mail at evanier.com (Mark Evanier) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:56:20 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... In-Reply-To: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB463@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> References: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB463@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:45:47 -0800, "Grossmann, Gary" wrote: >So Craig McCracken, Van Partible, and Genndy Tartakovsky don't own the Power >Puff Girls, Johnny Bravo, and Dexter's Laboratory, respectively? That >stinks. > >Is it possible that then unknown creators like them could have gotten a >decent contract for new cartoons that turned into big hits or is it pretty >much a given that they were reduced to little more than hired help at a >fixed price regardless of ratings, comic book deals, movies, merchandising, >etc? -Gary G. ME: Well, the thing to remember in all this is that there's a middle-ground between total ownership and being a slave. Charles Schulz did not own PEANUTS but he managed to enjoy virtually all of the creative control that he'd have had if he had, and he made a helluva lot of money off it. Most live-action TV shows are not owned by their creators but they negotiate sophisticated contracts that protect the creator's interests. The problem in the area of comic books and animation has often been a refusal to negotiate that middle-ground, which is why some of us have strived to own what we created. In many cases, it WAS a matter of ownership or slavery. But both comics and animation have matured somewhat and it's now difficult but by no means impossible to work out a satisfactory arrangement. The folks you mention above -- like Craig McCracken -- do not own their properties but they're by no means "slave" deals. The folks in question have a lot of creative control and they do make a lot of money. Don't feel sorry for them. There are other things going on in the world that are much more troubling. (I hear something's going on with some place called Iraq...) ------------------------------ www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in my backyard. From GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV Mon Mar 17 16:06:15 2003 From: GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV (Grossmann, Gary) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:06:23 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... Message-ID: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB464@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> Well Tyler, I agree with a couple of your points, but I think they become moot with respect to an animated Groo cartoon. If there is never an animated Groo, it will because no one let Sergio & Mark do it their way. No Groo is better than compromised Groo. If there IS ever an animated Groo, it will be done the Sergio & Mark, so it will be glorious. So you see, it's really a win-win situation. -Gary G. PS Having said that, I'm with Chad. I'm selfish and I want more Groo!!! So I think deep down, what we want is just some sort of assurance that we are indeed imagining these things correctly. Now, if we are good fans, we would watch this hypothetical Groo cartoon, and immediately go "Oh, THAT's how they are supposed to be percieved." But if we are crappy fans, we would immediately jump up and shout about how the cartoon didn't do justice to the comic... which, unfortunately, I've seen happen with other translations to the screen. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030317/0fd777c3/attachment.html From McCollumEnt at aol.com Mon Mar 17 19:14:56 2003 From: McCollumEnt at aol.com (McCollumEnt@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:15:07 2003 Subject: [Groop]San Diego Con (Chris McCollum) Message-ID: <136.1c129458.2ba7bf00@aol.com> I'm starting to get excited about San Diego. Put in my vacation request today. Someone in the groop suggested a few hotels in downtown San Diego that were less expensive than most of the major hotels and within walking distance to the con. A update would be appreciated. I know that there is a Motel 6 on second street that is a few blocks from a shuttle stop. It is a good hike all the way to the Con though. But the shuttles run about every 15 minutes. The rates are about $65-$75. Reserve your rooms soon. They always sell out. See you there. Chris From GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV Mon Mar 17 16:18:47 2003 From: GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV (Grossmann, Gary) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:18:56 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... Message-ID: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB465@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> > In many cases, it WAS a matter of > ownership or slavery. But both comics and animation have matured > somewhat and it's now difficult but by no means impossible to work out > a satisfactory arrangement. > The folks you mention above -- like Craig McCracken -- do not own > their properties but they're by no means "slave" deals. The folks in > question have a lot of creative control and they do make a lot of > money. I am glad to hear there is a middle ground and it is actually occupied. > There are other things going on in > the world that are much more troubling. (I hear something's going on > with some place called Iraq...) Much more troubling doesn't begin to cover it. But this is the Groo Line, so I'll let it go at that. -Gary G. PS Regarding my response to Tyler, my Typos are getting worse. Now I'm leaving out entire words! From CrazySketchbook at aol.com Mon Mar 17 22:05:37 2003 From: CrazySketchbook at aol.com (CrazySketchbook@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 17 19:05:56 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... Message-ID: <39.359eedd5.2ba7e701@aol.com> I agree with all replies thus far, but I was trying to make more of a general point than just on a possible Groo cartoon. But still good points. :-) I think this is the first time I've actually voiced some sort of opinion on this list, so enjoy it while it lasts, people. Heh-heh... > Well Tyler, > > I agree with a couple of your points, but I think they become moot with > respect to an animated Groo cartoon. If there is never an animated Groo, > it will because no one let Sergio & Mark do it their way. No Groo is better > than compromised Groo. If there IS ever an animated Groo, it will be done > the Sergio & Mark, so it will be glorious. So you see, it's really a > win-win situation. -Gary G. > > PS Having said that, I'm with Chad. I'm selfish and I want more Groo!!! > --- Tyler Sticka, cartoonist at large. Visit TYLERSTICKA.TRIPOD.COM for free art and cartoons! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030317/fd402516/attachment-0001.html From josh at newdream.net Mon Mar 17 21:19:29 2003 From: josh at newdream.net (Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones) Date: Mon Mar 17 21:19:32 2003 Subject: [Groop]Groo trading cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heyo.. Don't worry, more recent orderers, I'll be sure to include the rubber band even though your cards will be in little plastic boxes (which haven't arrived yet, but when they do I'll send out right away!) josh! p.s. Only 3 sets left! http://www.cardjones.com/card.php?card=GROO-SET From msudol0928 at rogers.com Tue Mar 18 10:11:26 2003 From: msudol0928 at rogers.com (Ugly Person) Date: Tue Mar 18 07:15:07 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... References: <15.cba141c.2ba63286@aol.com> <002a01c2ec8a$c3f2b3a0$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <002f01c2ed60$a5838b20$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Evanier" To: "Ugly Person" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Groop]Cartoon show.... >ME: No, they didn't. Schulz had absolute control over the PEANUTS >animation. I was peripherally involved in some of those shows, and >nothing happened in them unless he wanted it to happen. > >But that kind of control is the exception, not the rule. I will, of course, take your word for this. However, with that concept in mind, the longstanding concept of no adults in Peanuts seemed great and why it changed is beyond me. I had queried others about this and that is what I was told. I acknowledge that I had no idea where they got their sources. From Groosagi16 at cs.com Tue Mar 18 10:35:05 2003 From: Groosagi16 at cs.com (Groosagi16@cs.com) Date: Tue Mar 18 07:35:11 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... Message-ID: <6f.369b9e9e.2ba896a9@cs.com> In a message dated 3/17/2003 7:06:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, GaryG@DOR.WA.GOV writes: > Having said that, I'm with Chad. I'm selfish and I want more Groo!!! ---------------->Me too. I'd love a cartoon, but I wonder how feasible.I mean, how many artists out there can draw in acceptable Aragones' style? (How much more drawing goes into a 30 minute cartoon than a 30 minute comic book?) I know the man is fast, but could he pull it on his own? Would he want to draw that much? Are there others that could flesh it out acceptably. Could computers relieve any of the problems? I would love to see a Groo cartoon, but the complexity of the backgrounds in and of themselves make me wonder, let alone all the action that goes on in the foreground. Is Sergio to complex a cartoonist to get the cartoon treatment? I know little enough about the creation of art to know that I haven't a substantial clue, but what little I do know makes me conclude that there is a question though? Mark, anyone, learn me a little. Groosagi p.s. There should be a Groo and Usagi crossover book, where the characters get combined into Groosagi. That's my position, and I'm sticking to it. A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030318/4d219d39/attachment.html From ldempsey at brazoselectric.com Tue Mar 18 10:13:11 2003 From: ldempsey at brazoselectric.com (Leonard Dempsey) Date: Tue Mar 18 08:13:16 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... Message-ID: <24177A6544785E4BBFA8B382D8B3FD8D0F4710@bepcmail.brazoselectric.com> >From a lurker: I've always enjoyed an will continue to enjoy reading these issues pertaining to Groo. And I do like the current issue revolving around creator rights, limitations, etc, etc. But from my own point of view, based on my experience, a whopping 33 years, I've learned that there is no true middle ground on this issue. I believe Marks words are the best available to uphold this issue. I'll just elaborate with my own experiences. I once did consulting work in the Bay area, or "consulted" for a consulting firm which was located in the Bay area. I have to put the word in quotes because in reality I was not a consultant, I was just a Joe Shoom worker who loaded his truck with his worldly possessions - books, a single bed, a twin sofa and the Groo comics. And there I was off into the BIG wide world California from the outback's of Arizona. In all in two and a half years of consulting I learned a lot about life in general. I have to share one item that I learned a lot about which is 'if your going to take a flying leap off a bridge, research others who did the same leap and ask them a lot of questions.' Particular questions that come to mind are 'what should I be cautious about', 'does this contract look legitimate', 'how do I cover myself so that I'm not taken advantage of and I don't take advantage of other' (unless you intentions are otherwise), etc, etc. For the most part I was taken advantage of but in the long run I learned which is the greater good. Making a long story longer bouncing a few questions of Mark on a Groo email listing is nice, but for a person to answer questions in an in-depth manner would more then likely require consulting fees. And if a person is serious about the conquest of a goal those consulting fees will more then likely be worth it. In all I've seen, experienced and heard about artistic talent being taken advantage of by those willing to take the artist's work and display it to the world. But that is one end of the spectrum as Mark alludes to, and at the other end of the spectrum there are those artists who are not artist who take advantage of the promoter. And these all come down to contracts. I'm sure the artists of today consult people like Mark to review contracts to make sure they are not taken advantage of, but that is for another debate, and time I have consume quite much of. Thus pick up thy pick and shovel, and stop reading these groo messages, for the quota for salt is never filled. Hack and hew you gallant knight, ride boldly ride . . . >From a lone lurker . . . PS. And yes there are other significant issues in the world to which I'll say, "God made all, great and small, including Groo . ." . -----Original Message----- From: Mark Evanier [mailto:mail@evanier.com] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 5:56 PM To: groop@groo.com Subject: Re: [Groop]Cartoon show.... On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:45:47 -0800, "Grossmann, Gary" wrote: >So Craig McCracken, Van Partible, and Genndy Tartakovsky don't own the Power >Puff Girls, Johnny Bravo, and Dexter's Laboratory, respectively? That >stinks. > >Is it possible that then unknown creators like them could have gotten a >decent contract for new cartoons that turned into big hits or is it pretty >much a given that they were reduced to little more than hired help at a >fixed price regardless of ratings, comic book deals, movies, merchandising, >etc? -Gary G. ME: Well, the thing to remember in all this is that there's a middle-ground between total ownership and being a slave. Charles Schulz did not own PEANUTS but he managed to enjoy virtually all of the creative control that he'd have had if he had, and he made a helluva lot of money off it. Most live-action TV shows are not owned by their creators but they negotiate sophisticated contracts that protect the creator's interests. The problem in the area of comic books and animation has often been a refusal to negotiate that middle-ground, which is why some of us have strived to own what we created. In many cases, it WAS a matter of ownership or slavery. But both comics and animation have matured somewhat and it's now difficult but by no means impossible to work out a satisfactory arrangement. The folks you mention above -- like Craig McCracken -- do not own their properties but they're by no means "slave" deals. The folks in question have a lot of creative control and they do make a lot of money. Don't feel sorry for them. There are other things going on in the world that are much more troubling. (I hear something's going on with some place called Iraq...) ------------------------------ www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in my backyard. _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop From sean.hughes at ntlworld.com Tue Mar 18 16:58:34 2003 From: sean.hughes at ntlworld.com (Sean) Date: Tue Mar 18 08:56:41 2003 Subject: [Groop]Off topic request Message-ID: <001b01c2ed6f$a7503700$f3f20250@seanhugh> I am looking for somebody to get 2 recent comic books from their local store and send them to me in the UK. They never made it to stores over here, I can paypal the money to you. If anyone wants to help then email me away from the list. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030318/e8be0203/attachment.html From mail at evanier.com Tue Mar 18 09:53:04 2003 From: mail at evanier.com (Mark Evanier) Date: Tue Mar 18 09:53:02 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... In-Reply-To: <6f.369b9e9e.2ba896a9@cs.com> References: <6f.369b9e9e.2ba896a9@cs.com> Message-ID: <36ne7voe02qed96qieas5mp73m8mtm06n6@4ax.com> On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:35:05 EST, Groosagi16@cs.com wrote: >Is Sergio >to complex a cartoonist to get the cartoon treatment? I know little enough >about the creation of art to know that I haven't a substantial clue, but what >little I do know makes me conclude that there is a question though? Mark, >anyone, learn me a little. ME: Perhaps if our current project with Cartoon Network goes the distance, we'll find out. ------------------------------ www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in my backyard. From mail at evanier.com Tue Mar 18 10:01:30 2003 From: mail at evanier.com (Mark Evanier) Date: Tue Mar 18 10:01:31 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... In-Reply-To: <002f01c2ed60$a5838b20$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> References: <15.cba141c.2ba63286@aol.com> <002a01c2ec8a$c3f2b3a0$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <002f01c2ed60$a5838b20$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <88ne7vctptm5oloud682e366k4a1srr935@4ax.com> On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:11:26 -0500, "Ugly Person" wrote: >I will, of course, take your word for this. However, with that concept in >mind, the longstanding concept of no adults in Peanuts seemed great and why >it changed is beyond me. I had queried others about this and that is what I >was told. I acknowledge that I had no idea where they got their sources. ME: Well, for what it's worth, my sources were Charles Schulz and his producer, Lee Mendelson. Mr. Schulz always retained a creator's right to change his mind and act on hunches. He sometimes made a certain decision and then, a few years or months later, would decide to do the opposite. Here's one example. Snoopy never had a voice apart from Bill Melendez making little squealing sounds. At one point, Schulz saw one of those Teddy Ruxpin dolls where a stuffed toy tells stories to kids. He decided he liked the idea of Snoopy telling stories to children, so he decided that Snoopy could have a voice. Actors were auditioned for the role and one (no one you ever heard of) was selected. Then Schulz changed his mind and decided Snoopy shouldn't talk. A year or three later, Schulz was discussing a TV project (a proposed Snoopy animated Saturday morning series) and he decided it wouldn't work unless Snoopy had a voice the way Garfield does in his animated appearances. He decided that Snoopy could have a voice that read his thought balloons for us. A few scripts were written...then Schulz changed his mind again. No voice. The cartoon was abandoned. Creator-control does not mean a creator makes up his mind and never deviates. It means the creator makes the decisions and, as things evolve and projects change, the decisions can change. ------------------------------ www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in my backyard. From mrgrooism at yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 18:32:38 2003 From: mrgrooism at yahoo.com (Larry Steller) Date: Tue Mar 18 18:32:48 2003 Subject: [Groop]Larry Grooism #8 Message-ID: <20030319023238.16797.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Larry Grooism #8: The Fish Story 3/18/03 OK, I admit this Grooism isn’t up to my usual standards of mayhem, but it’s a mildly humorous story anyway… Coming home this evening, I knew I had nothing defrosted for dinner, so I decided to stop by the neighborhood fish market on the way home and pick up something to cook. I learned a valuable lesson tonight, and that is, learn the local language! Okay, I know I live in New Jersey, but the area I’m in is a heavily Spanish neighborhood, so speaking no Spanish, I just manage the best I can... The store I went to had a sign that said Pesca-something-or-other (hey, I know that means fish, Pisces, right?), it had fresh fish on ice in the window, and (here’s the clincher) the only English in the store was in fact the words FISH MARKET! Okay, to quote my buddy Dan, “How hard could it be?” However, the fish had no prices marked on them, and there were no signs anywhere with prices, so I communicated the best I can with the fishmonger that I wanted to know what those fillets were, and those… and how much? He said “Red Snapper, $7.99 pound, Flounder, $6.99 pound.” “Okay, I’ll take 2 (holding up two fingers) fillets.” Now, I had noticed that the guy before me had had his fish breaded and fried, but I was in the mood to cook, so decided not to take the tempting shortcut. To reinforce this, I said “I’ll take them just like that, not cooked.” The guy nodded, rinsed the fillets, sprinkled them with lemon juice right next to a tub of flour… “No, wait, no flour, I want to take then home JUST LIKE THAT, okay?” “Like this, si!” and with that he tossed my fish into the deep-fryer, unseasoned JUST LIKE THAT… OK, I know when to admit defeat! My fillets were already cooking, unseasoned though they were, so I just went with the flow, took home my unseasoned, uncoated deep-fried red snapper, sprinkled some Cajun seasoning on them, and a had a pretty good fish dinner after all, without having to cook! Oh well! ===== ------------------------------- -Larry "Mr. Grooism" Steller Mendicant Second Class NOTE: I will never again buy a BROTHER office product, nor buy anything from MAC WAREHOUSE or their affiliate MICRO WAREHOUSE, they simply do not stand behind their products or services! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From mail at evanier.com Tue Mar 18 22:16:04 2003 From: mail at evanier.com (Mark Evanier) Date: Tue Mar 18 22:15:54 2003 Subject: [Groop]GROO NEWS from me Message-ID: Actually, this isn't primarily Groo News. It's Comic-Con International in San Diego News. The convention has quietly added a feature to its website (www.comic-con.org) that enables you to book hotel rooms online. If you're thinking of going and wish to book into one of the hotels near the convention center, go to the site right now and sign up. Last year, all the hotels sold out in a matter of weeks. This year, they may go even faster. We will be having our traditional Sergio/Mark panel this year, as well as another edition of the "Quick Draw" panel in which Sergio and a bunch of not-as-fast cartoonists draw based on challenges I throw at them. I don't know the days yet but I'm guessing the Quick Draw panel will be Saturday. For this year's Sergio/Mark panel, I'm thinking of doing something a little different and bringing in some unusual videotapes, mostly involving Sergio. But we'll see. Anyway, if you need a hotel reservation, go to the site right now. They're disappearing even as you read this. ------------------------------ www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in my backyard. From msudol0928 at rogers.com Wed Mar 19 09:34:12 2003 From: msudol0928 at rogers.com (Ugly Person) Date: Wed Mar 19 06:37:54 2003 Subject: [Groop]Cartoon show.... References: <15.cba141c.2ba63286@aol.com><002a01c2ec8a$c3f2b3a0$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com><002f01c2ed60$a5838b20$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <88ne7vctptm5oloud682e366k4a1srr935@4ax.com> Message-ID: <001a01c2ee24$9c8fd360$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Evanier" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Groop]Cartoon show.... >ME: Well, for what it's worth, my sources were Charles Schulz and his >producer, Lee Mendelson. I never disputed that. Somehow, I'm surprised, though. No offense. But to me, the lowly reader, Sparky (and Sergio for that matter) are like the "gods" of cartooning and while I never spoke (emailed) either, I'm still in awe to realize somebody has met one of them, never mind BOTH. >Mr. Schulz always retained a creator's right to change his mind and >act on hunches. He sometimes made a certain decision and then, a few >years or months later, would decide to do the opposite. I suppose I'm just resistant to change sometimes when I am used to a certain format. I know some things are inevitable. Like when Alan Reed died. Despite his replacement, I think his name is Henry Corden or something, as far as I was concerned, Fred Flintstone was dead. Some things are not quite the same. I suppose there are exceptions. Digging through archives that date back way before my time, I realize that Snoopy didn't originally walk like a human, etc. >Here's one example. Snoopy never had a voice apart from Bill Melendez >making little squealing sounds. At one point, Schulz saw one of those >Teddy Ruxpin dolls where a stuffed toy tells stories to kids. He >decided he liked the idea of Snoopy telling stories to children, so he >decided that Snoopy could have a voice. Actors were auditioned for >the role and one (no one you ever heard of) was selected. Then Schulz >changed his mind and decided Snoopy shouldn't talk. Amen to that. Sorry, but Snoopy got his point across quite well to readers and viewers without saying a word so I'm glad that didn't change. >A year or three later, Schulz was discussing a TV project (a proposed >Snoopy animated Saturday morning series) then Schulz >changed his mind again. No voice. The cartoon was abandoned. Aguably pure genius on his part. For some of us he did fine not saying any more than Rufferto. >Creator-control does not mean a creator makes up his mind and never >deviates. It means the creator makes the decisions and, as things >evolve and projects change, the decisions can change. Although sometimes winning formulas shouldn't be messed with. From McCollumEnt at aol.com Wed Mar 19 12:08:15 2003 From: McCollumEnt at aol.com (McCollumEnt@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 19 09:08:30 2003 Subject: [Groop]San Diego Message-ID: I'm starting to get excited about San Diego. Put in my vacation request today. Someone in the groop suggested a few hotels in downtown San Diego that were less expensive than most of the major hotels and within walking distance to the con. A update would be appreciated. I know that there is a Motel 6 on second street that is a few blocks from a shuttle stop. It is a good hike all the way to the Con though. But the shuttles run about every 15 minutes. The rates are about $65-$75. Reserve your rooms soon. They always sell out. See you there. Chris From dennisw at jsav.com Wed Mar 19 11:39:18 2003 From: dennisw at jsav.com (Dennis White) Date: Wed Mar 19 09:37:24 2003 Subject: [Groop]San Diego Message-ID: I Just reserved a room at the Hotel Churchill, which is about 10 blocks north of the convention center. Single w/ queen bed runs about $50.00 Dennis White Staging Coordinator J & S Audio Visual, Inc. 3373 Towerwood Drive Dallas, TX 75006 -----Original Message----- From: McCollumEnt@aol.com [mailto:McCollumEnt@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 11:08 AM To: groop@groo.com Subject: [Groop]San Diego I'm starting to get excited about San Diego. Put in my vacation request today. Someone in the groop suggested a few hotels in downtown San Diego that were less expensive than most of the major hotels and within walking distance to the con. A update would be appreciated. I know that there is a Motel 6 on second street that is a few blocks from a shuttle stop. It is a good hike all the way to the Con though. But the shuttles run about every 15 minutes. The rates are about $65-$75. Reserve your rooms soon. They always sell out. See you there. Chris _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop From sean.hughes at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 19 21:15:04 2003 From: sean.hughes at ntlworld.com (Sean) Date: Wed Mar 19 13:13:06 2003 Subject: [Groop]Off topic request References: <001b01c2ed6f$a7503700$f3f20250@seanhugh> Message-ID: <002501c2ee5c$a4dc5420$f3f20250@seanhugh> Thanks to all 4 people who offered, i think that should be enough. Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030319/4c0217b6/attachment.html From josh at newdream.net Wed Mar 19 13:38:58 2003 From: josh at newdream.net (Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones) Date: Wed Mar 19 15:19:35 2003 Subject: [Groop]uh actually.. Message-ID: I _just_ got the email confirmation from that place I ordered the boxes from about a week ago and they gave me this tracking number: http://wwwapps.ups.com/etracking/tracking.cgi?&InquiryNumber1=1Z855AR40357596342 Delivery next monday! So I'll send the rest of the cards out on Tuesday, I promise! And this'll be the last email about it too, I promise! josh! From josh at newdream.net Wed Mar 19 11:35:56 2003 From: josh at newdream.net (Josh 'Wet Exit' Jones) Date: Wed Mar 19 15:58:36 2003 Subject: [Groop]Sold out! Message-ID: Just a note to let everybody know the 20 full sets of Groo cards Mark offered through cardjones.com are now officially sold out! I'll be mailing out the rest of the cards to everybody hopefully tomorrow at the latest (still haven't gotten those itty plastic boxes!). Thanks everybody for using it, and if you missed your chance to get a set, I think Mark hinted that he may have about 10 more sets available sometime in the future from his site, for $60/set! yay! josh! From NANIE4158 at aol.com Wed Mar 19 19:35:56 2003 From: NANIE4158 at aol.com (NANIE4158@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 19 16:36:22 2003 Subject: [Groop]Tom Strong's Terrific Tales Message-ID: <15e.1d258cea.2baa66ec@aol.com> did you know that the most recent issue of Tom Strong's Terrific Tales (#5/Jan 2003) features artwork from Sergio in one of the stories? I accidentally noticed his name on the cover and grabbed it and glad I did - any more recent Sergio or Mark sightings we may have missed? Fernando :) From NANIE4158 at aol.com Wed Mar 19 19:41:21 2003 From: NANIE4158 at aol.com (NANIE4158@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 19 16:41:35 2003 Subject: [Groop]House Of Mystery Message-ID: <1ac.11fe4179.2baa6831@aol.com> I have recently acquired a number of DC comics featuring Sergio's works - i got the information from the Unofficial Sergiography list - when i received them I had some House of Mystery issues that i figured did not have any Sergio in it and simply read them for the fun of it and discovered there was some Sergio stuff in there! i double checked the list i had and didn't see them on there at all (House Of Mystery issues in question were #188/Oct 1970 and #204/Jul 1972). I am now wondering if all of the House of Mystery issues have Sergio stuff in each and every issue? and i am wondering of any of the other comics (such as House of Secrets as so on) may have other Sergio stuff that was not listed on the Unofficial Sergiography? any help wud be appreciated as i wud love to have all of Sergio's work as possible from his years with DC and any other comics he may have been involved in - does anyone have a more current Sergiography? maybe Mark can include that in Sergio's new web site along with Mark's own works too? thanks! Fernando :) West Covina, Calif From rage at engr.colostate.edu Wed Mar 19 20:45:08 2003 From: rage at engr.colostate.edu (rage) Date: Wed Mar 19 19:45:17 2003 Subject: [Groop]Sold out! Message-ID: <3E9D8524@webmail.colostate.edu> Received mine a week ago, and will try to get those nine pocket plastic pages to store them. The "puzzles" seem to be cut so they have some part of the picture missing, I guess taking into account the gap that those pockets leave between the cards. Thanks a lot to everybody involved. Jorge F. From msudol0928 at rogers.com Thu Mar 20 14:44:37 2003 From: msudol0928 at rogers.com (Ugly Person) Date: Thu Mar 20 11:48:17 2003 Subject: [Groop]House Of Mystery References: <1ac.11fe4179.2baa6831@aol.com> Message-ID: <003601c2ef19$2461b840$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: [Groop]House Of Mystery > I have recently acquired a number of DC comics featuring Sergio's works - i > got the information from the Unofficial Sergiography list - Need in-put! Where did you find this list? From GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV Thu Mar 20 11:59:32 2003 From: GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV (Grossmann, Gary) Date: Thu Mar 20 11:59:40 2003 Subject: [Groop]House Of Mystery Message-ID: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB485@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> Reuben is the author of the Sergiography, a list that tries to be a complete list of everything Sergio has ever done. In the old House of Mystery series Sergio usually provided a couple pages with his Cain & Abel characters. There was another similar DC title for which Sergio did the same thing. (I think) I have not collected these (no Groo) but I have often hoped to get a complete list of all those to which Sergio contributed. Reuben? -Gary G. -----Original Message----- From: Ugly Person [mailto:msudol0928@rogers.com] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:45 AM To: Groop@groo.com Subject: Re: [Groop]House Of Mystery ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: [Groop]House Of Mystery > I have recently acquired a number of DC comics featuring Sergio's works - i > got the information from the Unofficial Sergiography list - Need in-put! Where did you find this list? _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop From msudol0928 at rogers.com Fri Mar 21 11:45:12 2003 From: msudol0928 at rogers.com (Ugly Person) Date: Fri Mar 21 08:48:56 2003 Subject: [Groop]House Of Mystery References: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB485@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> Message-ID: <000501c2efc9$3ea59860$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grossmann, Gary" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 2:59 PM Subject: RE: [Groop]House Of Mystery > Reuben is the author of the Sergiography, a list that tries to be a complete > list of everything Sergio has ever done. In the old House of Mystery series > Sergio usually provided a couple pages with his Cain & Abel characters. > There was another similar DC title for which Sergio did the same thing. (I > think) It was called "Plop!" which I have a few issues. > I have not collected these (no Groo) but I have often hoped to get a > complete list of all those to which Sergio contributed. Reuben? Of course, I will collect all things Sergio Aragon?s based. That includes all the Mad pocketbooks, some which I had to search through remainder stores, the others I bought new when they were first published. I cherish my Mad #76 (first appearance in Mad magazine), and autographed copy of Buzz & Bell (not personally autographed; I bought it that way). I tried writing him a letter based on the address listed in a "statement of ownership, management, and circulation" in one issue of Groo, but I never got a response. From GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV Fri Mar 21 09:10:08 2003 From: GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV (Grossmann, Gary) Date: Fri Mar 21 09:10:20 2003 Subject: [Groop]House Of Mystery Message-ID: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB48B@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> > It was called "Plop!" which I have a few issues. No, not that one. I was thinking of something else. > Of course, I will collect all things Sergio Aragon?s based. Maybe someday after the kids' college loans are paid off... > That includes all the Mad pocketbooks, The Sergio books are all original material, except MAD Marginals and More Mad Marginals and the latter was all redrawn and has a couple Groo's in it that were not in the original marginals. The MAD MAD books are all reprinted material. > I tried writing him a letter based on the address listed in > a "statement of ownership, management, and circulation" in > one issue of Groo, but I never got a response. If you sent it to the Groo Grams address, Mark received it and both he & Sergio read it. Now you can send a question to "ask Sergio" at www.sergioaragones.com. -Gary G. PS Groo shows up in MAD for the 92nd time this month! _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop From rarellano at shaw.ca Sat Mar 22 15:27:57 2003 From: rarellano at shaw.ca (Ruben Arellano) Date: Sat Mar 22 15:27:20 2003 Subject: [Groop]House Of Mystery References: <1ac.11fe4179.2baa6831@aol.com> <003601c2ef19$2461b840$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <3E7CF17D.1070509@shaw.ca> I am the author of The Unofficial Sergiography. Unfortunately, I've slacked off for the past year or so and not kept it very up to date. Nonetheless it has about 580 entries, and is a 28 page PDF file. I can e-mail a 'draft' compilation from Nov-2001 to whomever would like it (Ugly I'll send it to you). This is what I have for House of Mystery: -House of Mystery #185, 186, 189 - 191, 193 - 196, 199, 200, 202, 204, 226, 229, 251 (1970 - 1977, DC) Mostly one page gag panels. Also, Aragones did border art for a one page diploma (issue #?) and illustrated a multipage story "The Poster Plague" (issue #202) which was the inspiration for Plop!. I will have to add issue #188 as discovered by Nanie. Ruben. Ugly Person wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 7:41 PM >Subject: [Groop]House Of Mystery > > > > >>I have recently acquired a number of DC comics featuring Sergio's works - >> >> >i > > >>got the information from the Unofficial Sergiography list - >> >> > >Need in-put! > >Where did you find this list? > > >_______________________________________________ >Groop mailing list >Groop@groo.com >http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop > > > From Groosagi16 at cs.com Mon Mar 24 10:28:48 2003 From: Groosagi16 at cs.com (Groosagi16@cs.com) Date: Mon Mar 24 07:29:02 2003 Subject: [Groop]House Of Mystery Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/2003 3:00:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, GaryG@DOR.WA.GOV writes: > In the old House of Mystery series > Sergio usually provided a couple pages with his Cain & Abel characters. > Sergio created Cain & Abel? I thought that was G-d. : ) Seriously, I just assumed those were created by some "generic" DC creative team. Was it really our very own Mr. A? Groosagi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030324/b4bbe531/attachment.html From Groosagi16 at cs.com Mon Mar 24 10:32:48 2003 From: Groosagi16 at cs.com (Groosagi16@cs.com) Date: Mon Mar 24 07:33:01 2003 Subject: [Groop]House Of Mystery Message-ID: <17c.1863e74a.2bb07f20@cs.com> In a message dated 3/21/2003 11:49:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, msudol0928@rogers.com writes: > That includes > all the Mad pocketbooks, some which I had to search through remainder > stores, the others I bought new when they were first published. ----------------->Does any one have a complete listing of these pocketbooks? Could they provide such list here? I have about 8 or so of those books I bought way back in the day. I always wondered how complete my set was. And of course the only way I will ever be able to compklete the set is by finding out what comprises the set. Later, Groosagi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030324/7ede5097/attachment.html From rarellano at shaw.ca Mon Mar 24 08:00:28 2003 From: rarellano at shaw.ca (rarellano@shaw.ca) Date: Mon Mar 24 08:04:19 2003 Subject: [Groop]House Of Mystery Message-ID: <2fec22c187.2c1872fec2@shaw.ca> I don't think that Sergio actually created the characters for DC, but he did do quite a few single and multi-page gags featuring them. Anybody know the history of using the characters at DC? I'd love to see Sergio's renditions compiled into a single book someday.... Regarding a complete listing of Sergio's MAD pocketbooks, I will post it when I'm back at home. Or maybe someone else has it in the meantime.... Ruben. 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From Groosagi16 at cs.com Tue Mar 25 10:32:59 2003 From: Groosagi16 at cs.com (Groosagi16@cs.com) Date: Tue Mar 25 07:33:09 2003 Subject: [Groop]House Of Mystery Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/2003 12:32:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, mail@evanier.com writes: > GROOSAGI: I just > >assumed those were created by some "generic" DC creative team. Was it > really > >our very own Mr. A? > > ME: Sergio did not create Cain or Abel. Joe Orlando did. > -------------------->Thanks for setting that straight. Interesting that my initial assumption (as all such so eagerly often are) was wrong nonetheless. Joe Orlando is not "some 'generic' DC creative team". Now, were did I put my hickory rod? G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030325/15766355/attachment.html From Ahn-E-Mal at myrealbox.com Tue Mar 25 11:18:04 2003 From: Ahn-E-Mal at myrealbox.com (Paul R. Wieske) Date: Tue Mar 25 09:18:05 2003 Subject: [Groop]1 Year Anniversery Message-ID: <1048612684.65b388e0Ahn-E-Mal@myrealbox.com> It was one year ago today that I recieved my new pancreas. Ahn-E-Mal From msudol0928 at rogers.com Tue Mar 25 13:45:10 2003 From: msudol0928 at rogers.com (Ugly Person) Date: Tue Mar 25 10:48:55 2003 Subject: [Groop]1 Year Anniversery References: <1048612684.65b388e0Ahn-E-Mal@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <004301c2f2fe$aa3c78e0$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R. Wieske" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: [Groop]1 Year Anniversery >It was one year ago today that I recieved my new pancreas. >Ahn-E-Mal This calls for some cake! Sugar free, if necessary. We're also closing in on one year since my brain surgery (does it show?) First time I needed it in 16 years which is a record for me. (Nine years was a major milestone for me previously, where I went without brain surgery from 1970-1979). But no. My longevity was smashed when I needed another surprise operation so I have to start over. So... here's for one year. Where is that CD? Heck, sometime in Mid-April. Modern technology allows me (if I can find it again) to view my CAT Scan here on the computer. Actually I was supposed to take it from my local hospital to where I had my surgery. In big letters it says "DO NOT COPY THIS DISK!" but hell. It's pictures of ME. Inside my head at least, so I reserved the right to copy it. Unlike you, I didn't get a new brain in the deal. I didn't even get a new pancreas. Didn't even fix it entirely. I'm still as dumb as ever (that's why I can relate to Groo). I tried.... From msudol0928 at rogers.com Tue Mar 25 15:04:31 2003 From: msudol0928 at rogers.com (Ugly Person) Date: Tue Mar 25 12:08:24 2003 Subject: [Groop]House Of Mystery References: <17c.1863e74a.2bb07f20@cs.com> Message-ID: <00ab01c2f309$c4774040$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Groosagi16@cs.com To: Groop@groo.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [Groop]House Of Mystery In a message dated 3/21/2003 11:49:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, msudol0928@rogers.com writes: That includes all the Mad pocketbooks, some which I had to search through remainder stores, the others I bought new when they were first published. ----------------->Does any one have a complete listing of these pocketbooks? Could they provide such list here? I have about 8 or so of those books I bought way back in the day. I always wondered how complete my set was. And of course the only way I will ever be able to compklete the set is by finding out what comprises the set. This of course depends on if you mean ALL Mad pocket books or just those written by Aragon?s. We are talking dozens upon dozens of Mad books under the Sugnet and (apparently later) Warner labels. 1968 Jul - Viva Mad (with Intro) 1970 Jul - Mad About Mad (with Intro) 1972 Jun - Mad-ly Yours! 1974 Mar - In Mad We Trust 1975 Mar - Mad as the Devil 1977 Mar - Incurably Mad 1979 Jan - Shootin' Mad 1980 Dec - Mad Marginals (with Intro) 1981 Jan - Mad as a Hatter 1983 Apr - Mad Menagerie 1985 Apr - More Mad Marginals ("To Groo & Al Jaffee") 1987 Jan - Mad Pantomimes 1988 Nov - More Mad Pantomimes 1990 May - Mad As Usual 1991 Aug - Totally Mad 1992 Aug - Sergio Aragon?s' Next Mad Book ("To Mark Evanier) If there were any other Aragones pocket book titles that I missed, let me know. I still have more collecting to do. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030325/f368661e/attachment.html From chschechner at ev1.net Tue Mar 25 14:28:37 2003 From: chschechner at ev1.net (Chris Schechner) Date: Tue Mar 25 12:26:02 2003 Subject: [Groop]1 Year Anniversery In-Reply-To: <1048612684.65b388e0Ahn-E-Mal@myrealbox.com> References: <1048612684.65b388e0Ahn-E-Mal@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: Way to go! All the best for MANY more years. >It was one year ago today that I recieved my new pancreas. >Ahn-E-Mal From mrgrooism at yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 14:40:39 2003 From: mrgrooism at yahoo.com (Larry Steller) Date: Tue Mar 25 14:40:42 2003 Subject: [Groop]1 Year Anniversery Message-ID: <20030325224039.87614.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Hmmm, meant to send both of these replies to you guys through the Groop, so I'll combine them and resend! -Larry --- "Paul R. Wieske" wrote: > It was one year ago today that I recieved my new > pancreas. REALLY? One year already? Awesome, Paul! We need more good news around here, so glad to hear you're doing well! --- Ugly Person wrote: > This calls for some cake! Sugar free, if necessary. > We're also closing in on one year since my brain > surgery (does it show?) > First time I needed it in 16 years which is a record > for me. (Nine years was > a major milestone for me previously, where I went > without brain surgery from > 1970-1979)... Yes! More good news, glad to hear you're recovery is doing well, too! How does Carrot Cake sound? ===== ------------------------------- -Larry "Mr. Grooism" Steller Mendicant Second Class NOTE: I will never again buy a BROTHER office product, nor buy anything from MAC WAREHOUSE or their affiliate MICRO WAREHOUSE, they simply do not stand behind their products or services! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From george at karalias.com Tue Mar 25 17:50:41 2003 From: george at karalias.com (George J Karalias) Date: Tue Mar 25 14:44:54 2003 Subject: [Groop]Groo Odyssey References: <20030311043918.73609.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E80DD40.3316CCB1@karalias.com> Quick question: Has anyone bought a copy of Groo Odyssey yet, or has it been delayed by Dark Horse? Thanks, -George From mrgrooism at yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 15:15:45 2003 From: mrgrooism at yahoo.com (Larry Steller) Date: Tue Mar 25 15:15:51 2003 Subject: [Groop]Close but no cigar! Message-ID: <20030325231545.49972.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> I was getting directions to meet some friends at a not very nearby movie theater in Emerson, New Jersey, when I got all excited and went looking for my camera! You see, the directions were to take FOREST Avenue to ACKERMAN Avenue, yes that's right Famous Monsters of Filmland Fans, I make a right at the intersection of Forest & Ackerman! Well... almost. It seems that just before Forest meets Ackerman, Forest Avenue's name changes to Fourth Avenue! Awwww, what a gyp! On a positive note, I may have another Groo Sign picture to add to my pics of GROO STREET and GROO's SHOES. There is in my area a TARANTO BUS COMPANY. Hmmm, wonder if they have any one-eyed drivers? Stay tuned!!! ===== ------------------------------- -Larry "Mr. Grooism" Steller Mendicant Second Class NOTE: I will never again buy a BROTHER office product, nor buy anything from MAC WAREHOUSE or their affiliate MICRO WAREHOUSE, they simply do not stand behind their products or services! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From mrgrooism at yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 15:19:21 2003 From: mrgrooism at yahoo.com (Larry Steller) Date: Tue Mar 25 15:19:23 2003 Subject: [Groop]Close but no cigar! In-Reply-To: <20030325231545.49972.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030325231921.92875.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> --- Larry Steller wrote: > I was getting directions to meet some friends at a > not > very nearby movie theater in Emerson, New Jersey, > when > I got all excited and went looking for my camera! > > You see, the directions were to take FOREST Avenue > to > ACKERMAN Avenue, yes that's right Famous Monsters of > Filmland Fans, I make a right at the intersection of > Forest & Ackerman! > > Well... almost. It seems that just before Forest > meets Ackerman, Forest Avenue's name changes to > Fourth > Avenue! Awwww, what a gyp! > > On a positive note, I may have another Groo Sign > picture to add to my pics of GROO STREET and GROO's > SHOES. > > There is in my area a TARANTO BUS COMPANY. Hmmm, > wonder if they have any one-eyed drivers? Stay > tuned!!! > > ===== > ------------------------------- > -Larry "Mr. Grooism" Steller > Mendicant Second Class > > NOTE: I will never again buy a BROTHER office > product, nor buy anything from MAC WAREHOUSE or > their affiliate MICRO WAREHOUSE, they simply do not > stand behind their products or services! > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, > live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Groop mailing list > Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop ===== ------------------------------- -Larry "Mr. Grooism" Steller Mendicant Second Class NOTE: I will never again buy a BROTHER office product, nor buy anything from MAC WAREHOUSE or their affiliate MICRO WAREHOUSE, they simply do not stand behind their products or services! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From mightyhero at mail.com Wed Mar 26 00:52:15 2003 From: mightyhero at mail.com (E C) Date: Tue Mar 25 15:52:26 2003 Subject: [Groop]Groo Odyssey Message-ID: <20030325235215.45751.qmail@mail.com> Hi guys/grrls! George wrote: >Has anyone bought a copy of Groo Odyssey >yet, or has it been delayed by Dark Horse? Release date: May 28. See you. Eric Ps. Check the "Releases" section of the Groo Message Board. *Plug* -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV Tue Mar 25 15:54:43 2003 From: GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV (Grossmann, Gary) Date: Tue Mar 25 15:54:51 2003 Subject: [Groop]Groo Odyssey Message-ID: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB497@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> I believe it's scheduled for May. -Gary G. -----Original Message----- From: George J Karalias [mailto:george@karalias.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:51 PM To: Groop Subject: [Groop]Groo Odyssey Quick question: Has anyone bought a copy of Groo Odyssey yet, or has it been delayed by Dark Horse? Thanks, -George _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop From cowmageddon at yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 16:06:04 2003 From: cowmageddon at yahoo.com (Jason Roberts) Date: Tue Mar 25 16:06:07 2003 Subject: [Groop]Close but no cigar! In-Reply-To: <20030325231545.49972.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030326000604.40789.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> --- Larry Steller wrote: > There is in my area a TARANTO BUS COMPANY. Hmmm, > wonder if they have any one-eyed drivers? Stay > tuned!!! I was just thinking about Taranto today, but mostly abuot how did he lose that eye? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From grossfam at olywa.net Tue Mar 25 20:41:50 2003 From: grossfam at olywa.net (Gary Grossmann) Date: Tue Mar 25 20:39:04 2003 Subject: [Groop]House Of Mystery References: <17c.1863e74a.2bb07f20@cs.com> <00ab01c2f309$c4774040$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <002e01c2f352$04d486a0$394a2a40@GaryGrossman> No, that's it. 16. Well, unless you count the Big Book "Mad on Parade," which came out with two different zillion character covers. -Gary G. 1968 Jul - Viva Mad (with Intro) 1970 Jul - Mad About Mad (with Intro) 1972 Jun - Mad-ly Yours! 1974 Mar - In Mad We Trust 1975 Mar - Mad as the Devil 1977 Mar - Incurably Mad 1979 Jan - Shootin' Mad 1980 Dec - Mad Marginals (with Intro) 1981 Jan - Mad as a Hatter 1983 Apr - Mad Menagerie 1985 Apr - More Mad Marginals ("To Groo & Al Jaffee") 1987 Jan - Mad Pantomimes 1988 Nov - More Mad Pantomimes 1990 May - Mad As Usual 1991 Aug - Totally Mad 1992 Aug - Sergio Aragon?s' Next Mad Book ("To Mark Evanier) If there were any other Aragones pocket book titles that I missed, let me know. I still have more collecting to do. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ahn-E-Mal _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop From grossfam at olywa.net Tue Mar 25 20:52:46 2003 From: grossfam at olywa.net (Gary Grossmann) Date: Tue Mar 25 20:49:58 2003 Subject: [Groop]1 Year Anniversery References: <1048612684.65b388e0Ahn-E-Mal@myrealbox.com> <004301c2f2fe$aa3c78e0$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <005301c2f353$8bd32160$394a2a40@GaryGrossman> > We're also closing in on one year since my brain surgery (does it show?) > First time I needed it in 16 years which is a record for me. (Nine years was > a major milestone for me previously, where I went without brain surgery from > 1970-1979). But no. My longevity was smashed when I needed another surprise > operation so I have to start over. So... here's for one year. Where is that > CD? Heck, sometime in Mid-April. Modern technology allows me (if I can find > it again) to view my CAT Scan here on the computer. Actually I was supposed > to take it from my local hospital to where I had my surgery. In big letters > it says "DO NOT COPY THIS DISK!" but hell. It's pictures of ME. Inside my > head at least, so I reserved the right to copy it. > > Unlike you, I didn't get a new brain in the deal. I didn't even get a new > pancreas. Didn't even fix it entirely. I'm still as dumb as ever (that's why > I can relate to Groo). I tried.... > Wow! I had my brain Surgery in 1969. They haven't had to go back in. Either they are afraid or there is nothing there to go back to. Have any other Groopies had brain surgery? -Gary "Explains a lot, doesn't it?" Grossmann From grossfam at olywa.net Tue Mar 25 20:57:14 2003 From: grossfam at olywa.net (Gary Grossmann) Date: Tue Mar 25 20:54:26 2003 Subject: [Groop]Close but no cigar! References: <20030326000604.40789.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008c01c2f354$2bd866c0$394a2a40@GaryGrossman> I believe that somewhere long ago Mark sort of alluded to it being Groo's fault. But isn't everything? -Gary G. > > I was just thinking about Taranto today, but mostly > abuot how did he lose that eye? > From Groosagi16 at cs.com Wed Mar 26 11:05:43 2003 From: Groosagi16 at cs.com (Groosagi16@cs.com) Date: Wed Mar 26 08:05:51 2003 Subject: [Groop]Aragones Mad pocket books Message-ID: <17f.18a4aa54.2bb329d7@cs.com> In a message dated 3/25/2003 3:08:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, msudol0928@rogers.com writes: > This of course depends on if you mean ALL Mad pocket books or just those > written by Aragon?s. We are talking dozens upon dozens of Mad books under > the Sugnet and (apparently later) Warner labels. --------------->Well, I WAS just talking about the Aragones books, but now, thanks to you and Eugene, my mind wants to wander larger. Spank. Bad. Bad Mind. : ) > > 1968 Jul - Viva Mad (with Intro) > 1970 Jul - Mad About Mad (with Intro) > 1972 Jun - Mad-ly Yours! > 1974 Mar - In Mad We Trust > 1975 Mar - Mad as the Devil > 1977 Mar - Incurably Mad > 1979 Jan - Shootin' Mad > 1980 Dec - Mad Marginals (with Intro) > 1981 Jan - Mad as a Hatter > 1983 Apr - Mad Menagerie > 1985 Apr - More Mad Marginals ("To Groo & Al Jaffee") > 1987 Jan - Mad Pantomimes > 1988 Nov - More Mad Pantomimes > 1990 May - Mad As Usual > 1991 Aug - Totally Mad > 1992 Aug - Sergio Aragon?s' Next Mad Book ("To Mark Evanier) > ------------------>Welp, the final result is that I've got issues #1-9. 6 more to go. WooHoo. Now, where to find them... Thanks guys, Groosagi p.s. The character Groosagi (as created by Mr.s Aragones, Evanier and Sakai) should unquestionably make a published comic book appearance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030326/ce4cc40f/attachment.html From Groosagi16 at cs.com Wed Mar 26 11:15:05 2003 From: Groosagi16 at cs.com (Groosagi16@cs.com) Date: Wed Mar 26 08:15:26 2003 Subject: [Groop]Aragones Pocket books Message-ID: In a message dated 3/25/2003 11:39:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, grossfam@olywa.net writes: > Well, unless you count the Big Book "Mad on Parade," which came out with > two different zillion character covers. -Gary G. > -------------------->Well I was only talking about the pocket books, so, technically the answer is 16 (and not 42, as some might think) but as long as you brought the other book up, is it material different than the other 16? Is it exclusively Aragones? Your description just confused me (huh, imagine that, confusion coming from a groo fan trying to describe something to another Goo fan). Groosagi p.s. Groosagi in print. Oh Yeah! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030326/1284974f/attachment.html From GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV Wed Mar 26 08:21:20 2003 From: GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV (Grossmann, Gary) Date: Wed Mar 26 08:21:27 2003 Subject: [Groop]Aragones Pocket books Message-ID: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB498@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> All Original. All Sergio. Circa 1978. It's about the dimensions of a magazine and as thick as the pocketbooks at least. I'll send more details when I get home tonight. -Gary G. -----Original Message----- From: Groosagi16@cs.com [mailto:Groosagi16@cs.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:15 AM To: Groop@groo.com Subject: [Groop]Aragones Pocket books In a message dated 3/25/2003 11:39:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, grossfam@olywa.net writes: Well, unless you count the Big Book "Mad on Parade," which came out with two different zillion character covers. -Gary G. -------------------->Well I was only talking about the pocket books, so, technically the answer is 16 (and not 42, as some might think) but as long as you brought the other book up, is it material different than the other 16? Is it exclusively Aragones? Your description just confused me (huh, imagine that, confusion coming from a groo fan trying to describe something to another Goo fan). Groosagi p.s. Groosagi in print. Oh Yeah! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030326/507f0788/attachment.html From Groosagi16 at cs.com Wed Mar 26 11:37:07 2003 From: Groosagi16 at cs.com (Groosagi16@cs.com) Date: Wed Mar 26 08:37:17 2003 Subject: [Groop]Mad Art Message-ID: <1f1.5344ef5.2bb33133@cs.com> I had originally wanted to buy the book, but when I tallied my previews items, the hefty $25.00 became prohibitive. Fortunately, on the day that my dealer received his copies, stupid UPS or Stupid Diamond or Stupid Somebody caused the box containing a couple of titles I collect not to be shipped. I walked in the store, and the attendant, as the owner looked on, matter of factly told me "You are not gonna be happy. They didn't ship a box." As he saw my eyes widen he comenced "Sojourn...Killbox..." as he saw the terrified doe-eyed look shudder and shift into marginally sane eye-twitch, he unloaded "Age of Bronze", a beatific evil grin spreading across his face. You guys have all seen the cartoons. You know the ones. Where, the head turns red, smoke starts pouring out, and ultimately the whole melon explodes. Well these guys saw it in real life. As they gleefully giggled and squiggled, and my head slowly recoagulated, I turned and saw the Mad Art book, looking all big and enticing. I was so pissed I picked it up, slammed it back down on the counter and payed my kopins. That's right. I bought my Mad Art out of anger. There may have somehow also been some bit of spite, misdirected as it obviously must have been. The book was outstanding. First class. Prime cut. Any one who enjoys Mad to even the smallest degree must own, or at least read, this book. Heck, anyone who enjoys comic books should own this book. Good stuff. Anyhow, the next week my Age of Bronze arrived and I enjoyed it, as I knew I would. Also came the realization that I will only have to wait 5 weeks, instead of 6, for the next issue. Woo Hoo. Of course, I am out those 25 kopins I didn't have. Razzzm frazzzm Later, Groosagi p.s. $ = dollar. What = kopin? p.p.s. Groosagi in print would = many kopin made, and some even paid (to ME, that is) : ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030326/0771f76e/attachment.html From Chris.Emmett at uk.standardchartered.com Wed Mar 26 17:00:21 2003 From: Chris.Emmett at uk.standardchartered.com (Chris.Emmett@uk.standardchartered.com) Date: Wed Mar 26 08:59:59 2003 Subject: [Groop]Mad Art Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------- THIS EMAIL, AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ("THIS EMAIL") IS CONFIDENTIAL. IF YOU ARE NOT THE ADDRESSEE PLEASE TELL THE SENDER IMMEDIATELY, AND DESTROY THIS EMAIL WITHOUT USING, SENDING OR STORING IT. 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SCGROUP MAY MONITOR OUTGOING AND INCOMING E-MAILS. --------------------------------------------------------- From chad at riden.org Wed Mar 26 12:11:23 2003 From: chad at riden.org (Chad Riden) Date: Wed Mar 26 10:11:26 2003 Subject: [Groop]Mad Art In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5A57ADD0-5FB6-11D7-ABF8-000A9579FB58@riden.org> On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 11:00 AM, Chris.Emmett@uk.standardchartered.com wrote: > > >p.s. ?$ = dollar. ?What = kopin? > > K=kopin as any fool can plainly see. > I can plainly see that! -- Thanks for putting up with my crap, Chad M. Riden http://www.ChadMRiden.com/ http://www.MangyDog.com/ http://www.NashvilleStandup.com/ From msudol0928 at rogers.com Wed Mar 26 13:38:06 2003 From: msudol0928 at rogers.com (Ugly Person) Date: Wed Mar 26 10:41:57 2003 Subject: [Groop]Aragones Pocket books References: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB498@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> Message-ID: <002501c2f3c6$d80b7960$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Grossmann, Gary To: Groop@groo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: RE: [Groop]Aragones Pocket books All Original. All Sergio. Circa 1978. It's about the dimensions of a magazine and as thick as the pocketbooks at least. I'll send more details when I get home tonight. -Gary G. -------------------->Well I was only talking about the pocket books, so, technically the answer is 16 (and not 42, as some might think) but as long as you brought the other book up, is it material different than the other 16? Is it exclusively Aragones? Your description just confused me (huh, imagine that, confusion coming from a groo fan trying to describe something to another Goo fan). If that's true then I do have all 16. Neat. Mind you, some I got second hand. There was one that eluded me. Really pissed me off. Incurably Mad. Little did I know that it had just been reprinted at that point in time and I was delighted that I received it as a Christmas present. "Reissued September 1985" so it must have been Xmas 85 that I got it, before I saw it on the newsstands (which I had already given up looking.). Different prints of Sergio Aragon?s on parade have different covers. I've seen at least two. Mine appears to be the 1979 original, and even at that time you can clearly see Groo marching with the crowd on the right hand side of the spine. It's not a Groo-lookalike; the swords give him away. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Reissued September 1985" so it must have been Xmas 85 that I got it, before I saw it on the newsstands (which I had already given up looking.). Different prints of Sergio Aragon?s on parade have different covers. I've seen at least two. Mine appears to be the 1979 original, and even at that time you can clearly see Groo marching with the crowd on the right hand side of the spine. It's not a Groo-lookalike; the swords give him away. From: Grossmann, Gary To: Groop@groo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: RE: [Groop]Aragones Pocket books All Original. All Sergio. Circa 1978. It's about the dimensions of a magazine and as thick as the pocketbooks at least. I'll send more details when I get home tonight. -Gary G. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Eric -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From msudol0928 at rogers.com Wed Mar 26 19:16:50 2003 From: msudol0928 at rogers.com (Ugly Person) Date: Wed Mar 26 16:20:35 2003 Subject: [Groop]1 Year Anniversery References: <1048612684.65b388e0Ahn-E-Mal@myrealbox.com> <004301c2f2fe$aa3c78e0$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <005301c2f353$8bd32160$394a2a40@GaryGrossman> Message-ID: <006601c2f3f6$2a5df420$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Grossmann" To: "Ugly Person" ; "List - Groo" Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Groop]1 Year Anniversery > Wow! I had my brain Surgery in 1969. They haven't had to go back in. > Either they are afraid or there is nothing there to go back to. > > Have any other Groopies had brain surgery? -Gary "Explains a lot, doesn't > it?" Grossmann Let's see. 1967 (year I was born), 1968, 1969, 1970, 1979, 1984, 1986, 2002. Those were the years I had brain surgery. My wife is so afraid SHE will have to go through it again (referring to her having to deal with ME being in the hospital.) The most severe procedure she's had is a C-Section when our daughter was born in October 2000. From msudol0928 at rogers.com Wed Mar 26 19:19:14 2003 From: msudol0928 at rogers.com (Ugly Person) Date: Wed Mar 26 16:23:43 2003 Subject: [Groop]Aragones Pocket books References: <20030326234522.71814.qmail@mail.com> Message-ID: <008801c2f3f6$97e0ed40$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "E C" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:45 PM Subject: RE: [Groop]Aragones Pocket books > Hi guys/grrls! > > Gary wrote: > >There are only two covers, one of which is a > >wrap-around, to MAD on Parade. > > Cover version #1: > http://www.collectmad.com/collectibles/bbsaop1.htm > > Cover version #2: > http://www.collectmad.com/collectibles/bbsaop2.htm It's the cover from http://www.collectmad.com/collectibles/bbsaop2.htm that has Groo on the spine. From msudol0928 at rogers.com Wed Mar 26 21:20:56 2003 From: msudol0928 at rogers.com (Ugly Person) Date: Wed Mar 26 18:24:56 2003 Subject: [Groop]Aragones Mad pocket books References: <17f.18a4aa54.2bb329d7@cs.com> Message-ID: <001401c2f407$80b6b080$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Groosagi16@cs.com To: Groop@groo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:05 AM Subject: [Groop]Aragones Mad pocket books In a message dated 3/25/2003 3:08:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, msudol0928@rogers.com writes: ------------------>Welp, the final result is that I've got issues #1-9. 6 more to go. WooHoo. Now, where to find them... I found second-hand bookstores to be quite valuable in seeking the ones I don't have. Mind you now, at the time, Mad was still publishing its pocket books so I assume people thought they were a little more expendable back then. Since that has come to a halt (and they'd be quite costly otherwise) I would see them as more of a collector's item then they once were. People wouldn't be giving them up as readily unless they feel they somehow "outgrew" Mad. That may be your best bet. Or comic book stores. That's been a better source of Groo though, rather than Mad paperbacks. But you never know. Heck, if they can repackage old Groo issues and re-sell them, maybe it can be done with the entire Sergio Mad collection, although I'd guess that there may be more of a licensing issue. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030326/790cee22/attachment.html From grossfam at olywa.net Wed Mar 26 19:56:39 2003 From: grossfam at olywa.net (Gary Grossmann) Date: Wed Mar 26 19:53:40 2003 Subject: [Groop]Aragones Pocket books References: <20030326234522.71814.qmail@mail.com> <008801c2f3f6$97e0ed40$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <01a501c2f414$df842d60$394a2a40@GaryGrossman> Hi Folks! Hey Eric! Thanks a bunch. You are amazing. Actually, it turns out that BOTH covers are wrap-arounds. What you can't see on the sites Eric provided is a lot more cool Sergio art. The covers alone are worth the price in my estimation. Plus, the two pages immediately inside the covers is another giant Sergio montage. However, I was wrong! (No surprise.) MAD on Parade is a collection of his work in MAD, not original stuff. (It's been awhile since I looked at it.) Of course, Sergio being Sergio, between the cover art and the immediately inside the covers art, there is more original work than you would find in just about any similarly sized book! Except for the covers, the books are identical. One is copyright April, 1979 and the other is September, 1982. Both are "first printings," the first published by E.C Publications, the second by Time Warner by arrangement with E.C Publications. OK, now to the important issue: After getting out my trusty magnifying glass, I conclude the guy on the spine of cover #1 is NOT Groo. He has the hair of Groo and maybe the headband of Groo. But it is definitely not the nose of Groo, the clothes of Groo, and whatever that is over his shoulder, it is not the swords of Groo. He has a pencil shaped nose and appears to be wearing a breechcloth and has three little dots for his nipples and belly button. Definitely not Groo. Take care, Gary "More than you really wanted to know" Grossmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ugly Person" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [Groop]Aragones Pocket books > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E C" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:45 PM > Subject: RE: [Groop]Aragones Pocket books > > > > Hi guys/grrls! > > > > Gary wrote: > > >There are only two covers, one of which is a > > >wrap-around, to MAD on Parade. > > > > Cover version #1: > > http://www.collectmad.com/collectibles/bbsaop1.htm > > > > Cover version #2: > > http://www.collectmad.com/collectibles/bbsaop2.htm > > It's the cover from http://www.collectmad.com/collectibles/bbsaop2.htm that > has Groo on the spine. > > > _______________________________________________ > Groop mailing list > Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop > From mrgrooism at yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 21:31:18 2003 From: mrgrooism at yahoo.com (Larry Steller) Date: Wed Mar 26 21:31:21 2003 Subject: [Groop]OT: Calling all lawyers!!! Message-ID: <20030327053118.54002.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Hey groop! Does anyone out there know of any attorneys practicing in ILLINOIS who would be willing to consult with me? Have a friend in a physically abusive relationship who is afraid to talk to a lawyer, and I want to give her information on how to make her life better!!! ===== ------------------------------- -Larry "Mr. Grooism" Steller Mendicant Second Class NOTE: I will never again buy a BROTHER office product, nor buy anything from MAC WAREHOUSE or their affiliate MICRO WAREHOUSE, they simply do not stand behind their products or services! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From msudol0928 at rogers.com Thu Mar 27 11:03:29 2003 From: msudol0928 at rogers.com (Ugly Person) Date: Thu Mar 27 08:07:19 2003 Subject: [Groop]Aragones Pocket books References: <20030326234522.71814.qmail@mail.com> <008801c2f3f6$97e0ed40$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <01a501c2f414$df842d60$394a2a40@GaryGrossman> Message-ID: <002401c2f47a$68eac900$61ed7218@basp.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Grossmann" To: "Ugly Person" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Groop]Aragones Pocket books > After getting out my trusty magnifying glass, I conclude the guy on the > spine of cover #1 is NOT Groo. He has the hair of Groo and maybe the > headband of Groo. But it is definitely not the nose of Groo, the clothes of > Groo, and whatever that is over his shoulder, it is not the swords of Groo. > He has a pencil shaped nose and appears to be wearing a breechcloth and has > three little dots for his nipples and belly button. Definitely not Groo. Okay okay I'll give you that one. The resemblance is pretty good. It's hard to tell, of course, if it was either intended to look like Groo, or just a coincidence. Sergio may be the only one who can answer this, but after millions of characters drawn, I would believe it if even he didn't know. My assumption is of course that at the time Groo was unrefined since he had yet to make an "official" appearance. A prototype? A fluke? Darned if I really know, except that it did have more than just a slight resemblance. But since I'm biased, I may be seeing things that aren't there. However, on this tiny lead statue my toddler just pulled out of a drawer.... that most certainly is Sergio leaning on a pencil. From DavidStallard at cs.com Thu Mar 27 11:09:51 2003 From: DavidStallard at cs.com (DavidStallard@cs.com) Date: Thu Mar 27 08:10:03 2003 Subject: [Groop]Any new Groo on the horizon? Message-ID: <1ed.54b1632.2bb47c4f@cs.com> I apologize if this is a common question, but I just joined the group and I'm not aware if there are any message archives. Anyway, any word on when Mark and Sergio will be doing another Groo tale? I'm not crazy this sporadic mini-series schedule...I wish Groo would become a monthly title again. David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <7c.3759d132.2bb480d7@cs.com> In a message dated 3/27/2003 11:11:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, DavidStallard@cs.com writes: > Anyway, any word on when Mark and Sergio will be doing another Groo tale? ------------------------>Don't know when it is supposed to be coming out but rumor is that it is gonna feature both Groo and Usagi Yojimbo as the two characters become melded into one incredible and inedible Barbaribunny. Its gonna be a hoot. Groosagi p.s. : ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030327/f9942545/attachment.html From chad at riden.org Thu Mar 27 10:31:37 2003 From: chad at riden.org (Chad Riden) Date: Thu Mar 27 08:31:40 2003 Subject: [Groop]Aragones Mad pocket books In-Reply-To: <1e7.56790d1.2bb47dab@cs.com> Message-ID: <95135422-6071-11D7-9F9E-000A9579FB58@riden.org> Gene: Make sure the email account you're trying to send messages to the groop with is the same one you used to sign up. I've got too many addresses and make that mistake all the time. -- Thanks for putting up with my crap, Chad M. Riden http://www.ChadMRiden.com/ http://www.MangyDog.com/ http://www.NashvilleStandup.com/ > Groosagi, > ?I'm glad to see you received my message about the MAD paperbacks. > ?I've been Grood and none of my messages to the Groop get posted. > ?This morning I sent Josh a comment with a forwarded copy of my > unposted messages, but he hasn't responded yet. ?I'll be out of town > for a while so maybe you could pass this on to the Groop or Josh or > someone. ?Maybe it'll get fixed while I'm gone. > Gene From RichardBeckley at ln.utk.edu Thu Mar 27 11:34:45 2003 From: RichardBeckley at ln.utk.edu (RichardBeckley@ln.utk.edu) Date: Thu Mar 27 08:34:48 2003 Subject: [Groop]Re: Groop Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58 In-Reply-To: <20030327161555.16FC9252168@destro.newdream.net> Message-ID: Off Topic CD Security I'm about to release a comic graphic novel on a CD called Amandara. You can see a preview at: www.comicsdigital.com Does anyone out there know of any easy to use security I can put on the CD to discourage people from copying it? Rick Beckley From grundor99 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 08:44:15 2003 From: grundor99 at yahoo.com (Tony Dodds) Date: Thu Mar 27 08:44:17 2003 Subject: [Groop]Question for the MAD addicts -OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030327164415.82242.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> I have a question for those in the Groop who know their MAD Magazine. I am looking for a MAD advertisement that came out several years ago. If you think you may be able to help, please reply to me only so it doesn't clutter up any of the other Groop's email boxes. Thanks, Tony __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV Thu Mar 27 09:09:21 2003 From: GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV (Grossmann, Gary) Date: Thu Mar 27 09:09:32 2003 Subject: [Groop]Any new Groo on the horizon? Message-ID: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB4A5@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> Welcome aboard David!! After ending 11 years of uninterupted monthly Groo (from Epic through Image), Mark explained that both he and Sergio wanted to do other projects, but that new Groo would periodically come out. That's exactly what has happened since 1998 when they hooked up with Dark Horse. The mini-series format allows them to do longer stories and Mark also explained that the comic book market is now in a state where the trade paperbacks are the way to go (or something like that.) Anyway, we've gotten a 4 month run of new Groo slightly less frequently than once per year and I would expect that to continue. Mark always gives us a heads up. The last we heard he and Sergio were thinking of doing a short series of unrelated stories rather than another one story mini-series. But Mark will let us know when something is definite. I'm still waiting for T.C. Mars! Take care -Gary G. I apologize if this is a common question, but I just joined the group and I'm not aware if there are any message archives. Anyway, any word on when Mark and Sergio will be doing another Groo tale? I'm not crazy this sporadic mini-series schedule...I wish Groo would become a monthly title again. David From GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV Thu Mar 27 09:27:07 2003 From: GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV (Grossmann, Gary) Date: Thu Mar 27 09:27:14 2003 Subject: [Groop]Aragones Pocket books Message-ID: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB4A6@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> When Sergio means to draw Groo, you know it's Groo. (Well, 99% of the time anyway) It's when he doesn't mean to draw Groo that Groo-like characters are created. When I first searched dozens and dozens of old MAD Magazines for little tiny Groos, I ran across a number of characters that looked a lot like Groo, but always something was not quite right. When Sergio draws his wordless gags, he uses lots of sterotypes. So tough guys, whether they are cops or thugs or whatever, always have noses simlar to Groo's; stuff like that. So it's not surprising that Groo-like characters show up. But they are not Groo. Oh, and the first published Groo drawing that I have found is from 1977. Groo looks a little different, but just a tad. His jaw is a little heavier and he has a tooth showing. But the swords, tunic, headband, swordholder, and of course the Groo nose are all exactly the way they have always been. So Groo was pretty well set at least 5 years before Destroyer Duck. -Gary G. -----Original Message----- From: Ugly Person [mailto:msudol0928@rogers.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:03 AM To: List - Groo Subject: Re: [Groop]Aragones Pocket books Okay okay I'll give you that one. The resemblance is pretty good. It's hard to tell, of course, if it was either intended to look like Groo, or just a coincidence. Sergio may be the only one who can answer this, but after millions of characters drawn, I would believe it if even he didn't know. My assumption is of course that at the time Groo was unrefined since he had yet to make an "official" appearance. A prototype? A fluke? Darned if I really know, except that it did have more than just a slight resemblance. But since I'm biased, I may be seeing things that aren't there. However, on this tiny lead statue my toddler just pulled out of a drawer.... that most certainly is Sergio leaning on a pencil. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Grossmann" To: "Ugly Person" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Groop]Aragones Pocket books > After getting out my trusty magnifying glass, I conclude the guy on the > spine of cover #1 is NOT Groo. He has the hair of Groo and maybe the > headband of Groo. But it is definitely not the nose of Groo, the clothes of > Groo, and whatever that is over his shoulder, it is not the swords of Groo. > He has a pencil shaped nose and appears to be wearing a breechcloth and has > three little dots for his nipples and belly button. Definitely not Groo. _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop From mrgrooism at yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 09:27:13 2003 From: mrgrooism at yahoo.com (Larry Steller) Date: Thu Mar 27 09:27:29 2003 Subject: [Groop]Groo Cards, uses for rubber band In-Reply-To: <20030326022143.12488.qmail@domo.phpwebhosting.com> Message-ID: <20030327172713.71825.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Received my GROO CARDS today, plus the Special Collector's Edition Groo Card Rubber Band as well (neatly coiled atop the cards inside the box)! MUCH MUCH MUCH THANKS to Josh and Mark!!!!! SOME OF THE MANY USES FOR THE SPECIAL COLLECTOR'S EDITION GROO CARD RUBBER BAND: 1. Lay on top of your card of choice to circle point of interest. 2. Cut into string of "spaghetti" to retitle card #101 "The Mendicants" to "Rufferto & The Mendicant" (Lady & The Tramp parody). 3. Toss as Life Preserver to Captain Ahax. 4. Weave into Thong Bikini for Chakaal. 5. Weave into Thong Bikini for Arcadio's Chin. 6. Use to add missile fire to Groo's weaponry! 7. Replacement Headband for Groo PVC figure. 8. Twist once to create "domino mask" for the Groo Statue, turning Groo into DIP-MAN!!! 9. Cut and tie into top-knot rabbit ears to transform Groo PVC into GROOSAGI ERRJIMBO! 10. Restring Minstrel's lute. ===== ------------------------------- -Larry "Mr. Grooism" Steller Mendicant Second Class NOTE: I will never again buy a BROTHER office product, nor buy anything from MAC WAREHOUSE or their affiliate MICRO WAREHOUSE, they simply do not stand behind their products or services! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From mrgrooism at yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 09:38:42 2003 From: mrgrooism at yahoo.com (Larry Steller) Date: Thu Mar 27 09:38:45 2003 Subject: [Groop]Any new Groo on the horizon? In-Reply-To: <7c.3759d132.2bb480d7@cs.com> Message-ID: <20030327173842.56958.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Aside to David and other newbies. WELCOME!!! I probably don't have to say this, but thought I'd be the one to avoid confusion (SPOILSPORT) by verifying that this whole GROOSAGI thing is in fact a joke. This joke started, if memory serves, when our buddy GROOSAGI responded to Mark's appeal for us NEVER to post story ideas to the Groop. Mark and Sergio have ideas aplenty and would NEVER use someone else's idea, but in fact might be prevented from using their own ideas if someone else independently came up with something vaguely similar. So GROOSAGI jokingly responded with his story idea to meld Groo And Usagi into one character, a running joke we all appreciate. Thought some of you would like to know how it started! Anything to add, Groosagi? --- Groosagi16@cs.com wrote: > ------------------------>Don't know when it is > supposed to be coming out but > rumor is that it is gonna feature both Groo and > Usagi Yojimbo as the two > characters become melded into one incredible and > inedible Barbaribunny. Its > gonna be a hoot. > > Groosagi > > p.s. : ) ===== ------------------------------- -Larry "Mr. Grooism" Steller Mendicant Second Class NOTE: I will never again buy a BROTHER office product, nor buy anything from MAC WAREHOUSE or their affiliate MICRO WAREHOUSE, they simply do not stand behind their products or services! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From jabrooks at hotmail.com Thu Mar 27 21:22:51 2003 From: jabrooks at hotmail.com (J Brooks) Date: Thu Mar 27 18:23:16 2003 Subject: [Groop]Ebay Message-ID: Thought some of you might be interested in this auction: Ebay Item # 3216382169 Have there been any other Chase cards available? How much did they sell for? _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From MisterElie at aol.com Thu Mar 27 21:49:16 2003 From: MisterElie at aol.com (MisterElie@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 27 18:49:27 2003 Subject: [Groop]Ebay Message-ID: <36.3ce6ddea.2bb5122c@aol.com> Yowzers! This reminds me of the guy trying to sell an Action #1 # Detective #27 - both in not great condition, along with about 50 other comics easily obtainable in the 50 cent bin for the bargain basement price of a million dollars. Speaking of ebay....the link to it is gone now, I think ebay pulled it off its site, but earlier today there was an auction for a guy selling his services to kick someone's butt (didn't use exact word "butt," I believe most of you know what to insert there). Opening bid for this auction was one cent and it was up to about a buck and a half this afternoon. The description was something like: "you pay my expenses plus the winning auction fee and I'll come to your house and kick your butt." Somebody must have been given a copy of "Start Your Own Home-Based Business for Dummies" last Christmas. :) Elie In a message dated 3/27/2003 9:23:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, jabrooks@hotmail.com writes: > > Thought some of you might be interested in this auction: > > Ebay Item # 3216382169 > > Have there been any other Chase cards available? How much did they sell > for? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030327/278fd213/attachment.html From MisterElie at aol.com Thu Mar 27 21:59:15 2003 From: MisterElie at aol.com (MisterElie@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 27 18:59:25 2003 Subject: [Groop]Ebay Message-ID: <6.d65b96f.2bb51483@aol.com> Woops, regarding the "kick your butt" thing, I just found it on ME's site. I thought I found it somewhere else today (been doing a lot of net surfing lately). To apologize for my Grooism (sorry, Mark), I'll post a link to where you can get it and other fascinating info from ME's site: http://www.newsfromme.com Once I saw the auction again, I am not entirely sure it is a legitimate ebay site. The web address for it does not begin with the usual "http://cgi.ebay......" Just a word of caution to anyone that links to it about giving out your ebay handle and password. Elie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030327/ae6a6885/attachment.html From mail at evanier.com Thu Mar 27 22:28:53 2003 From: mail at evanier.com (Mark Evanier) Date: Thu Mar 27 22:29:03 2003 Subject: [Groop]Any new Groo on the horizon? In-Reply-To: <1ed.54b1632.2bb47c4f@cs.com> References: <1ed.54b1632.2bb47c4f@cs.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:09:51 EST, DavidStallard@cs.com wrote: >I apologize if this is a common question, but I just joined the group and I'm >not aware if there are any message archives. > >Anyway, any word on when Mark and Sergio will be doing another Groo tale? >I'm not crazy this sporadic mini-series schedule...I wish Groo would become a >monthly title again. ME: We'll be announcing a new GROO mini-series shortly. Maybe in the next week or so. ------------------------------ www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in my backyard. From GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV Fri Mar 28 08:50:55 2003 From: GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV (Grossmann, Gary) Date: Fri Mar 28 08:51:06 2003 Subject: [Groop]Gary's Grooism Message-ID: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB4AB@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> Hi Folks! Larry isn't the only one prone to Grooisms. Last night I went to airport to pick up my son and his friend. The plan was for me to just swing by outside the terminal and quick pick them up. With security tightened, you have to drive this very round about way and pass through a check point to get to the front of the terimal. It was all rather confusing (for the easily confused) but I followed the signs to what I thought was the right place to meet them. They weren't there. You can't stop and wait, so I went all the way around again, through the check point and back in front of the terminal, which took about 8-9 minutes. They weren't there. So I did the loop again. And again. And again. Finally, I got out of the loop, went to a gas station, and called home to see if my son had called. He had, saying he had been waiting for over half an hour and was wondering what had happened to me! I was vaguely aware that there was a lower level of road in front of the terminal, but I thought it was restricted to buses and hotel vans and had no idea how to get to it anyway. So I got back in the loop, followed the signs to parking, parked, and went and found my son. Of course it turns out they were on the lower level, I had been driving right over where they were, it is NOT restricted to busses and vans, and I could have gone down there easily if I had followed the right signs. All in all a very frustrating little episode. But I couldn't help think how perfectly Groo-ish it was to be driving around in circles while passing right over the people I was looking for. I even imagined how Sergio would draw the scene. I also imagined the guard at the check point seeing me drive through half a dozen times, momentarily wondering what was going on, then seeing my GROO license plates and thinking "Ah, a Groo fan. That explains it." Take care all -Gary G. From Groosagi16 at cs.com Fri Mar 28 11:51:44 2003 From: Groosagi16 at cs.com (Groosagi16@cs.com) Date: Fri Mar 28 08:51:51 2003 Subject: [Groop]Groo Cards, uses for rubber band Message-ID: <7e.372a0451.2bb5d7a0@cs.com> In a message dated 3/27/2003 12:27:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrgrooism@yahoo.com writes: > GROOSAGI ERRJIMBO! > ---------------->Poifect! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030328/40ac2e00/attachment.html From Groosagi16 at cs.com Fri Mar 28 11:53:22 2003 From: Groosagi16 at cs.com (Groosagi16@cs.com) Date: Fri Mar 28 08:53:31 2003 Subject: [Groop]Any new Groo on the horizon? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/27/2003 12:39:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrgrooism@yahoo.com writes: > Anything to add, Groosagi? > ----------------------->Joke? O.K., now I AM confused, spoilsport. G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030328/309560b8/attachment.html From GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV Fri Mar 28 09:14:01 2003 From: GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV (Grossmann, Gary) Date: Fri Mar 28 09:14:10 2003 Subject: [Groop]Ebay Message-ID: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB4AD@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> Ah yes, well um, you see, that's a s-s-s-SKETCH CARD!!!!!!!! One of the few Groo items I d-d-don't have. (sigh!) (Shut up, Shane!) I don't want to talk about how much they have gone for. It's too depressing. And I really don't want to talk about how I almost got one. WAAAAYYYY too depressing. (Plus my doctor advises against it.) Let's just say, the starting bid price is not out of line. Normally when folks talk about Groo "Chase" cards, they are talking about the nine Images of Groo (IG) cards, which usually go for $15-$25. Now I need to go take my medication. Take care -Gary G. -----Original Message----- From: J Brooks [mailto:jabrooks@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:23 PM To: groop@groo.com Subject: [Groop]Ebay Thought some of you might be interested in this auction: Ebay Item # 3216382169 Have there been any other Chase cards available? How much did they sell for? _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop From sac at foolarchy.com Fri Mar 28 09:53:56 2003 From: sac at foolarchy.com (Shane Clarke) Date: Fri Mar 28 09:55:11 2003 Subject: [Groop]Ebay In-Reply-To: <19ED0281E181D51197C200508BB8D3E9DBB4AD@dor-exchange4.dor.wa.gov> Message-ID: <001801c2f553$043f6770$0201a8c0@groo> I actually wasn't going to say anything this time :) (wanna see a picture of mine again? :) ) -----Original Message----- From: groop-bounces@groo.com [mailto:groop-bounces@groo.com] On Behalf Of Grossmann, Gary Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:14 AM To: groop@groo.com Subject: RE: [Groop]Ebay Ah yes, well um, you see, that's a s-s-s-SKETCH CARD!!!!!!!! One of the few Groo items I d-d-don't have. (sigh!) (Shut up, Shane!) I don't want to talk about how much they have gone for. It's too depressing. And I really don't want to talk about how I almost got one. WAAAAYYYY too depressing. (Plus my doctor advises against it.) Let's just say, the starting bid price is not out of line. Normally when folks talk about Groo "Chase" cards, they are talking about the nine Images of Groo (IG) cards, which usually go for $15-$25. Now I need to go take my medication. Take care -Gary G. -----Original Message----- From: J Brooks [mailto:jabrooks@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:23 PM To: groop@groo.com Subject: [Groop]Ebay Thought some of you might be interested in this auction: Ebay Item # 3216382169 Have there been any other Chase cards available? How much did they sell for? _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop From sama at peoplepc.com Fri Mar 28 10:02:47 2003 From: sama at peoplepc.com (Sam) Date: Fri Mar 28 10:03:28 2003 Subject: [Groop]Any new Groo on the horizon? Message-ID: <20030328100247.5090.h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Wooooo- Hooooo! > ME: We'll be announcing a new GROO mini-series shortly. > Maybe in the > next week or so. > ------------------------------ > www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, > cartoons, TV, > movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, > Hollywood, > Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in > my backyard. > > _______________________________________________ > Groop mailing list > Groop@groo.com > http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From mightyhero at mail.com Fri Mar 28 22:53:51 2003 From: mightyhero at mail.com (E C) Date: Fri Mar 28 13:54:01 2003 Subject: [Groop]Click Click Click Message-ID: <20030328215351.67344.qmail@mail.com> http://www.twomorrows.com/books/wertham.html -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From MisterElie at aol.com Fri Mar 28 21:31:33 2003 From: MisterElie at aol.com (MisterElie@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 28 18:31:41 2003 Subject: [Groop]Click Click Click Message-ID: <1e0.5875aec.2bb65f85@aol.com> Nice to see the posting for the book. An interesting question, however: the ad for the book said it features "an all new cover." Mark, in typical Groo-like manner, were you considering recycling the original Comic Books and Other Necessities of Life cover? :) Elie In a message dated 3/28/2003 4:54:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, mightyhero@mail.com writes: > http://www.twomorrows.com/books/wertham.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030328/0fa88aa5/attachment.html From chschechner at ev1.net Fri Mar 28 21:10:32 2003 From: chschechner at ev1.net (Chris Schechner) Date: Fri Mar 28 19:07:53 2003 Subject: [Groop]Click Click Click In-Reply-To: <1e0.5875aec.2bb65f85@aol.com> References: <1e0.5875aec.2bb65f85@aol.com> Message-ID: > >In a message dated 3/28/2003 4:54:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, >mightyhero@mail.com writes: > >>http://www.twomorrows.com/books/wertham.html >> Every time I try to go to the link, my Netscape crashes. Is this Grooish? I believe it is! Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/groop/attachments/20030328/26242ec4/attachment.html From mightyhero at mail.com Sat Mar 29 04:27:11 2003 From: mightyhero at mail.com (E C) Date: Fri Mar 28 19:27:20 2003 Subject: [Groop]Click Click Click Message-ID: <20030329032711.37418.qmail@mail.com> Hi guys/grrls! Chris wrote: >Every time I try to go to the link, my Netscape >crashes. Is this Grooish? I believe it is! Hmm ... Try this link: http://pub84.ezboard.com/fgroomessageboardfrm18.showMessage?topicID=3.topic See you. Eric -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From dhackney at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 30 07:49:29 2003 From: dhackney at optusnet.com.au (Denis Hackney) Date: Sat Mar 29 13:49:04 2003 Subject: [Groop]Click Click Click References: <1e0.5875aec.2bb65f85@aol.com> Message-ID: <3E8614E9.147D760C@optusnet.com.au> MisterElie@aol.com wrote: > Nice to see the posting for the book. An interesting question, > however: the ad for the book said it features "an all new cover." > Mark, in typical Groo-like manner, were you considering recycling > the original Comic Books and Other Necessities of Life cover? :) The whole same contents with variant covers idea has been done to death, so they're going to start giving things all the same cover but variant contents...? -- Denis Hackney - http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dhackney/ From mail at evanier.com Sat Mar 29 16:39:10 2003 From: mail at evanier.com (Mark Evanier) Date: Sat Mar 29 16:39:26 2003 Subject: [Groop]Click Click Click In-Reply-To: <1e0.5875aec.2bb65f85@aol.com> References: <1e0.5875aec.2bb65f85@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:31:33 EST, MisterElie@aol.com wrote: >Nice to see the posting for the book. An interesting question, however: the >ad for the book said it features "an all new cover." Mark, in typical >Groo-like manner, were you considering recycling the original Comic Books and >Other Necessities of Life cover? :) ME: Nope...but they put that line in because the cover depicted in the ad is not the real cover. It's a drawing from the first book. There will be a different (new) cover on the actual book. ------------------------------ www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in my backyard. From jasonnuttall at yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 16:55:34 2003 From: jasonnuttall at yahoo.com (jason nuttall) Date: Sat Mar 29 16:55:35 2003 Subject: [Groop]website Message-ID: <20030330005534.89140.qmail@web40605.mail.yahoo.com> Hello!! Please check out my new site!! i'm hoping to get the photo of my daughter from Halloween when she was dressed as baby Groo. It's still in the works, so let me know what you think. Please sign my guestbook. Yu can get to other parts of the site through links on the drawings page and black and white photos page. My "webmaster" hasn't been working on it lately. http://surf.to/nuttallart Thanks!! jason Nuttall __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From grossfam at olywa.net Sat Mar 29 20:07:43 2003 From: grossfam at olywa.net (Gary Grossmann) Date: Sat Mar 29 20:04:29 2003 Subject: [Groop]Click Click Click References: <1e0.5875aec.2bb65f85@aol.com> Message-ID: <000a01c2f671$ea7ea1a0$0b4a2a40@GaryGrossman> Hi Folks! Aha!! Just as I suspected. Hey, when they say Sergio is going to do an all new cover, you get an all new cover. And I'll bet that on the cover or in one of the new inside drawings there will be a Groo. But of course I'd buy it even if there wasn't a Groo. Marks articles are great. A wonderful combination of information, insight, and humor. And it's coming out just before the San Diego convention. Cool! -Gary G. >Mark, in typical >Groo-like manner, were you considering recycling the original Comic Books and >Other Necessities of Life cover? :) ME: Nope...but they put that line in because the cover depicted in the ad is not the real cover. It's a drawing from the first book. There will be a different (new) cover on the actual book. ------------------------------ www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, cartoons, TV, movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood, Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in my backyard. _______________________________________________ Groop mailing list Groop@groo.com http://mailman.newdream.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/groop From chschechner at ev1.net Sun Mar 30 17:12:01 2003 From: chschechner at ev1.net (Chris Schechner) Date: Sun Mar 30 15:09:21 2003 Subject: [Groop]Re: Click Click Click In-Reply-To: <000a01c2f671$ea7ea1a0$0b4a2a40@GaryGrossman> References: <1e0.5875aec.2bb65f85@aol.com> <000a01c2f671$ea7ea1a0$0b4a2a40@GaryGrossman> Message-ID: Hey groop, I have to say that I finished the first book two nights ago. I have been reading it slowly and savoring it. Now first, I'm not really a comic book guy. I am into cartooning and I've always loved Sergio's work, but I ONLY read Groo and couldn't care much less about any other comic books. But Mark's book is a WONDERFUL read, even if you don't love comic books. The last essay, on Roz Kirby, brought tears to my eyes. I didn't even know she existed before I read the article, and when I was done, I thought about what a loss it was that she's gone and what a wonderful contribution she made to this world. THAT'S the power of Mark's writing. I thoroughly enjoyed the book and really look forward to the next one. Of course, I may be preaching to the choir here, but if you haven't read the first one, GO GET IT AND ENJOY IT! Thanks Mark for your gift and for sharing it with us. Chris >Hi Folks! > >Aha!! Just as I suspected. Hey, when they say Sergio is going to do an all >new cover, you get an all new cover. And I'll bet that on the cover or in >one of the new inside drawings there will be a Groo. > >But of course I'd buy it even if there wasn't a Groo. Marks articles are >great. A wonderful combination of information, insight, and humor. And >it's coming out just before the San Diego convention. Cool! -Gary G. From grooless at yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 23:14:53 2003 From: grooless at yahoo.com (Greg Craill) Date: Mon Mar 31 12:15:47 2003 Subject: [Groop]Re: Book Review References: <1e0.5875aec.2bb65f85@aol.com> <000a01c2f671$ea7ea1a0$0b4a2a40@GaryGrossman> Message-ID: <007d01c2f7c2$3cec2420$e01349c3@GamesPC> Aloha Groop, Also I have just last week finished "Comic Books and Other Necessities of Life" by ME, which very thoughtfully my wife smuggled into Saudi for me to read when I needed lifting. Not sure if it actually needed smuggling as the Sergio cartoons were not in the same vein as the lovely title girls on each Groo splash page. ;oP I also found the articles really really interesting, I am a comics fan from waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back when I could dribble on them, and the insights, revelations and anecdotes Mark brings from within the industry are enlightening as well as entertaining. Mark - You do a fantastic job of introducing your readers to those amazing people you have had the pleasure of working with in the animation, cartooning, writing, (insert many more here) industries. I really enjoyed meeting them through your pages ! I would like to read the stories one day of how you got your job with Jack Kirby, and the insights and other things that you learned from him when you started out. I am more familiar with "Mark the accomplished writer" whose pen has been sharpened by experience, and I am curious to read about the years gaining that experience. Appreciatively Yours Greg "Grooless" Craill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schechner" > > But Mark's book is a WONDERFUL read, even if you > don't love comic books. I thoroughly enjoyed the book and really > look forward to the next one. Of course, I may be preaching to the > choir here, but if you haven't read the first one, GO GET IT AND > ENJOY IT! Thanks Mark for your gift and for sharing it with us. >