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<DIV><SPAN class=293123423-29012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Again,
it is not a question of sales and money. As I understand it anyway, it is
a question of copyright law AND what the owner of the copyright does or
does not allow (which obviously may be determined by money, but that's not the
same thing.) </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=293123423-29012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Recording something from your TV for your personal enjoyment to be
watched at a time convenient for you is not, as I understand things, a violation
of copyright law. And even if it is, I'm sure none of the copyright owners
care. TV shows and music are completely different comodities and there is a
completely different marketplace & technology dynamic.
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<DIV><SPAN class=293123423-29012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>And
Tivo has nothing to do with whether copyright laws are being violated. I
am not obligated to watch commercials just as advertisers are not obligated to
advertise. And if they can negotiate a lower rate because of Tivo use,
well, that's between then and the networks. And if a company spends too
much money on advertising that doesn't work because no one watches it, that's
between them and their stockholders. But again, this is tangental
and has nothing to do with violating copyright law or the wishes of
copyright owners. -Gary G. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Groopunk@aol.com
[mailto:Groopunk@aol.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:59
PM<BR><B>To:</B> groop@groo.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Groop] (File
Sharing)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0
face="Courier New Baltic" size=2 FAMILY="FIXED" PTSIZE="10">In a message dated
1/29/2004 4:50:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, GaryG@DOR.WA.GOV writes:<BR><BR>
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TYPE="CITE"></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">As to the
other things Seth brings up, the recording industry is analogous. You
shouldn't tape music and give it to friends or accept them.
</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12"
BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"
BACK="#ffffff">Television is a whole different ball game. That's
apples an oranges, although less so with movies and MTV.</FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Courier New Baltic" color=#000000
size=2 FAMILY="FIXED" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">But there is a provision made
in the law granting permission for music swapping. It IS legal. It
was made long ago to allow people to make mix tapes or dubs for friends - as
long as it wasn't mass-marketed. This is a point that has come up during
the initial lawsuits by the recording industry towards filesharers.<BR>And
television ISN'T a whole different ballgame. If people are fast
forwarding or able to prevent the taping of commercials, then they are
affecting my industry. If a commercial isn't selling a product, then
said product loses money and can't pay for more commercials.... Shall I
start blaming this downturn on those of you with TiVo and
VCRs?<BR><BR>-seth-</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>