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<DIV><FONT face="Calisto MT" size=2>Hold on Gary, not a fair
comparison.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Calisto MT" size=2>Now, both Raquel Welch and Mary Tyler Moore
are sort of before my time, but I can still see them objectively
from their work when they were in their prime. At best Moore is
cute, maybe even pretty, but Welch could make even the most eloquent
and self confident man a stammering drooling idiot. Whoa!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Calisto MT" size=2>I grew up seeing The Dick Van Dyke show and
the Mary Tyler Moore show in syndication on TV, she never seemed anything other
than standard fare. I think the first time I saw Raquel Welch, I
think it was the one you mention (or some other such one that
had her well "dressed") at about 13 years of age. Lets just say I had an
awakening of sorts. None of the so called "hotties" of my own time
('80's) ever did that to me. Aye yi yi....</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=GaryG@DOR.WA.GOV href="mailto:GaryG@DOR.WA.GOV">Grossmann, Gary
(DOR)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=groop@groo.com
href="mailto:groop@groo.com">groop@groo.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 19 November, 2008
11:58</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Groop] NYC Brawl: It's All
About the Pants!</DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Folks!</FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>OK, let's get one
thing straight. Mark getting so bent out of shape about Larry thinking
"The Dick Van Dyke Show" is overrated that he hauled off and slugged him has
nothing to do with his high esteem for the generally brilliant writing and
deft comic acting of that highly regarded show. Oh no!! And the
fact that Mark has been a successful comedy writer for 35 years, working on
numerous TV shows, and has better insights into the subtleties that go into
making a great comedy than most of us has nothing to do with why he lunged
across the table and wrestled Larry to the ground. No, that's not
it at all. </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It's really all
about the pants. Specifically, Capri pants and the fact that Mary Tyler
Moore was inside them. Yes, I'm afraid Mark made a spectacle of himself
and brutalized poor Larry over a perceived insult to his adolescent fantasy
girl. After 40+ years, he's still hung up on the 60's version of Mary
Tyler Moore and how great she looked in her Capri pants. It's really sad
when a 50-something year old man can't get past his teenage fantasies.
(Which reminds me, if anyone dares to say that Raquel Welch didn't deserve an
Oscar for her fur bikini-clad performance in 1,000,000 Years B.C., I'll jump
all over them!) </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Gary G. </FONT>
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<P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message
-----</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Larry
Steller" <mrgrooism@yahoo.com></FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
face=Arial size=2>To: <groop@groo.com></FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 4:59
PM</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: [Groop]
The Big Fight at the National in NYC</FONT></SPAN> </P><BR>
<P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>> By now you probably have hard
about ME and I having a bit of a scuffle</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>> at The National, so I just want to set
the record straight. Well, first</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
face=Arial size=2>> of all nobody was arrested, but I was asked to leave
the Convention. It</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> was just regular security that escorted me out, not the
cops.</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>From the beginning, I guess Mark and I both kind of got out of
hand. We</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>> were
just talking about various things, Groo stuff and the election
and</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>> Sally
Forth and lord knows what else. Someone who's a big fan of his</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>> blog brought up the clip
from the Dick Van Dyck show that Mark posted</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>> recently, and all I said was that I
thought the show was over-rated.</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
face=Arial size=2>> Mark thinks it's genius, but really I never found it to
be funny at</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
all, especially the stupid Walnuts episode that he was going on
about</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>> ad
nauseum!</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
Anyway, it got a bit heated, we were both being very sarcastic and
I</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>> said some
things that I probably should regret, about Van Dyck and</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>> about his sense of humor in
general. I'm sure Mark regrets what HE</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>> said, at least he SHOULD, anyway, next
thing I knew Mark was taking a</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
face=Arial size=2>> swing at me and we both sort of ended up rolling around
on the ground.</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
I did sort of lose a tooth, but it was loose already. Somehow I
came</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>> off as
the bad guy since Irwin Hasen said I started it, which isn't</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>> true at all.</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>> Anyway, don't believe everything you
hear. I'm sure Mark will want to</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
face=Arial size=2>> tell his side, but really, it's a free country, my
opinion is just as</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> good as his.</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
Anyway, even though they kicked me out yesterday I paid for today
and</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>> will
damned well be going. I'm sure Mark will take this opportunity
to</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>> apologize
properly, we'll go from there. Maybe I'll bring him a walnut!</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>> Sorry for all of the drama! Ignore the
media reports. Thanks!</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial
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size=2>></FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
-Larry "mrgrooism" Steller, Master Mendicant</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN
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