I second Alexander. Raquel was really, steaming hot.<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Alexander Durnan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alexian.emperor@earthlink.net">alexian.emperor@earthlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Calisto MT" size="2">Hold on Gary, not a fair comparison.</font></div>
<div><font face="Calisto MT" size="2">Now, both Raquel Welch and Mary Tyler Moore are sort of before my time, but I can still see them objectively from their work when they were in their prime. At best Moore is cute, maybe even pretty, but Welch could make even the most eloquent and self confident man a stammering drooling idiot. Whoa!</font></div>
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<div><font face="Calisto MT" size="2">I grew up seeing The Dick Van Dyke show and the Mary Tyler Moore show in syndication on TV, she never seemed anything other than standard fare. I think the first time I saw Raquel Welch, I think it was the one you mention (or some other such one that had her well "dressed") at about 13 years of age. Lets just say I had an awakening of sorts. None of the so called "hotties" of my own time ('80's) ever did that to me. Aye yi yi....</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 19 November, 2008 11:58</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [Groop] NYC Brawl: It's All About the Pants!</div>
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<p><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Hi Folks!</font></span> </p>
<p><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">OK, let's get one thing straight. Mark getting so bent out of shape about Larry thinking "The Dick Van Dyke Show" is overrated that he hauled off and slugged him has nothing to do with his high esteem for the generally brilliant writing and deft comic acting of that highly regarded show. Oh no!! And the fact that Mark has been a successful comedy writer for 35 years, working on numerous TV shows, and has better insights into the subtleties that go into making a great comedy than most of us has nothing to do with why he lunged across the table and wrestled Larry to the ground. No, that's not it at all. </font></span></p>
<p><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">It's really all about the pants. Specifically, Capri pants and the fact that Mary Tyler Moore was inside them. Yes, I'm afraid Mark made a spectacle of himself and brutalized poor Larry over a perceived insult to his adolescent fantasy girl. After 40+ years, he's still hung up on the 60's version of Mary Tyler Moore and how great she looked in her Capri pants. It's really sad when a 50-something year old man can't get past his teenage fantasies. (Which reminds me, if anyone dares to say that Raquel Welch didn't deserve an Oscar for her fur bikini-clad performance in 1,000,000 Years B.C., I'll jump all over them!) </font></span></p>
<p><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Gary G. </font> </span></p><br>
<p><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">----- Original Message -----</font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">From: "Larry Steller" <<a href="mailto:mrgrooism@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mrgrooism@yahoo.com</a>></font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">To: <<a href="mailto:groop@groo.com" target="_blank">groop@groo.com</a>></font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 4:59 PM</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">Subject: [Groop] The Big Fight at the National in NYC</font></span> </p><br>
<p><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> By now you probably have hard about ME and I having a bit of a scuffle</font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> at The National, so I just want to set the record straight. Well, first</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> of all nobody was arrested, but I was asked to leave the Convention. It</font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> was just regular security that escorted me out, not the cops.</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">>>From the beginning, I guess Mark and I both kind of got out of hand. We</font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> were just talking about various things, Groo stuff and the election and</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> Sally Forth and lord knows what else. Someone who's a big fan of his</font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> blog brought up the clip from the Dick Van Dyck show that Mark posted</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> recently, and all I said was that I thought the show was over-rated.</font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> Mark thinks it's genius, but really I never found it to be funny at</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> all, especially the stupid Walnuts episode that he was going on about</font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> ad nauseum!</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> Anyway, it got a bit heated, we were both being very sarcastic and I</font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> said some things that I probably should regret, about Van Dyck and</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> about his sense of humor in general. I'm sure Mark regrets what HE</font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> said, at least he SHOULD, anyway, next thing I knew Mark was taking a</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> swing at me and we both sort of ended up rolling around on the ground.</font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> I did sort of lose a tooth, but it was loose already. Somehow I came</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> off as the bad guy since Irwin Hasen said I started it, which isn't</font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> true at all.</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> Anyway, don't believe everything you hear. I'm sure Mark will want to</font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> tell his side, but really, it's a free country, my opinion is just as</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> good as his.</font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> Anyway, even though they kicked me out yesterday I paid for today and</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> will damned well be going. I'm sure Mark will take this opportunity to</font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> apologize properly, we'll go from there. Maybe I'll bring him a walnut!</font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> Sorry for all of the drama! Ignore the media reports. Thanks!</font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></span> <br>
<span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></span> <br><span lang="en-us"><font face="Arial" size="2">> -Larry "mrgrooism" Steller, Master Mendicant</font></span> <br>
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