[Dynagroove] Fwd: The death of house music?

[Steven Linseth]

great post man... thats tight, i like how your friend walked around and said
to anyone,"yeah, im having a great night" thats tight, i kind of do that at
every party i go to except i just put my fist out and get dabs as i "groove
walk" through the area    :-) 




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From:
"BadIYE at aol.com" <BadIYE at aol.com>
To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
Sent: Sunday,
November 2, 2008 1:56:24 AM
Subject: [Dynagroove] Fwd: The death of house
music?

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From: BadIYE
To:
cade at dynagroove.com
Sent: 10/31/2008 3:02:19 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time
Subj:
Re: [Dynagroove] The death of house  music?


One of my favorite moments ever
as a promoter was when my good  friend Sergio 
(now deceased unfortunately),
came to me at a party I was  promoting (can't 
remember which right now).  He
had this huge grin, eyes  all smiles, put his 
arm around me and said, "hey
man, i'm having a great  time"...My sceptical ass 
said "oh, E hitting you
pretty good or what?" and he  said "nah, this is only 
my second, and final,
beer", and i realized,  yeah, he don't look altered at 
all, just relaxed,
exactly the way a second  beer would make you feel.  And then 
I said "So you
must be liking this  DJ's set, eh?" and he said "are you 
kidding?  this guy
is horrible!  where the hell did you find him?" and just then I 
realized the
DJ was in fact  playing some cheezy house mix of The Never 
Ending Story (no
joke).  I  winced and took a mental note "DON'T hire him again!".  
I must 
have looked back at Sergio with a look of confusion...because he 
laughed  and
said "Duuude!!  just look around you!".  

I then took what must have been my
first non-stressed out look  of the night, 
at the dance floor and at the
bar.  Everyone I saw was  smiling, laughing, 
dancing, conversing and in some
way enjoying their time  there...no one seemed 
to care that at that
particular moment, the music  sucked (not even the half 
dozen DJs in the
crowd who didn't even flinch or  rush to me to complain); or 
that the bar was
3 deep with only one  bartender, or that the venue was nothing 
out of  the
ordinary; or that there was a long line to the co-ed  bathroom.  
For whatever
reason, that specific night,  everyone who came left all that 
baggage behind
and they just,  collectively...let it go.  And I realized:  Isn't 
that the 
purpose of our scene after all? To just let go? THIS  is the way it's
supposed to be.  We shouldn't always be chasing the  "perfect" night.  

A
wave of positive feeling washed over me. I clearly remember  looking back 
at
Sergio.  He was no longer paying attention to me.  He continued to smile,
scoping the club and repeating to no one in  particular: "yeah, man, i'm
having a great time"....

Imad
housesaladla.com


In a message dated
10/21/2008 3:58:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
cade at dynagroove.com writes:
OK it  is only natural that I start to pipe in.  *wink*

Is house music 
dying?  No not really considering that house is still making
the  charts
today.  House has been hitting the charts for the last 15++  years
D-lite,
Daft Punk, and now that Estelle remix and tons of others I  am sure I
am
skipping.

Every city has the superclub that has it's  "house" night.  It may
not really
be the house that I like and  borderline cheesy.  I also think
house has
evolved.  If  any of you have been in the "electo-house" scene you
know
"house" is far  from dead.  in fact I popped by an "electro-house" event
this
past  saturday that had 700+ people in it.  Mind you it was probably a
16  -
26 year old crowd.  But this is now their music.  Just  like
"Disco-House" I
consider my generation's "house" music.

House  is no
different then any other Genre.  Compair it to rock and  roll.
It went from
elvis and some how got all the way to creed? lol House  is no
different.  Some
genres are more popular than  others.  I kinda think of the
electro house as
the euro sythesizer  rock of the 80s.  ha

So house is far from dead.
However  underground house is pretty much extinct.  We are probably one  of
the last cities in the world that still does this type of thing. So  yeah it
is almost dead.  It lives in LA barely.  But I see do  see that the scene is
only shrinking.  In my opinion it comes down  to the following reasons

1) 
Lack of unity
2)  Lack of  money
3)  lack of appreciation
4)  too many egos
5)  narrow minded people
6)  Drugs

I am sure I can think of  more.

But lets
break these down

- Lack of unity

It  amazes me how many people tell me they
have my back, Support me, want  to
"help" me, want to "get involved" but then
they end up running against  me.
I understand there are going to be people who
run against you.  But these
are people who preach unity and preach their
support.  These are people you
put on the guest list for years, these are
sometimes  DJs you book, These are
even sometimes promoters you have combined
forces  with before.  No matter
how far ahead I announce my party and get  the
word out.  Someone who has
always claimed to be a supporter runs  against me. 
When I book a date I make
sure it is not conflicting  with any of the normal
players.  I have moved
dates, canceled  events, and even combined events when
I did not want to.  I
see a  core group of promoters that do the same but a
lot of people  don't.

The most negative effect I see because of this is
crowds  getting split.
Both events hurting.  Imagine taking someone to their 
frist underground and
it is only 1/3 capacity?  Ever heard or told  someone
"It is normally more
packed then this?"

- Lack of  money

Whenever some new
promoter comes and asks me for advice the  first thing I
tell them is "Don't
expect to make any money out of  this."  There is no
money in underground
events.  It is cause  for celibration if you break
even.  lol the last
dynagroove I lost  $500 and when I told some other
promoters you know what
they said to  me?  "Oh nice!  not bad at all!" lol

It amazes me how  people
assume you make all this money.  If I were making
money on  this I would be
doing more then 3 - 5 parties a year trust me.    So
now we have to save money
to do the party.  We have to save money  to loose
money.  Explain that to me.
lol

i understand that  420 is a lot of money to people.  I guest list people
we
all  do.  But if you can't afford $20 but can afford $10 instead of  asking
for the guest list maybe offer your $10 up?

-  Lack Of  Appreciation

I spend
3 -4 months planning an event.  I put 5k of  my own money into it.
Then I
start getting emails "Yo cade I am one of  your biggest supporters can
you
hook up a guest list!?"  "its too  dark"  Its too bright"  "its not loud
enough" "there are no  visuals" "you don't have real bathrooms only porta
potties" "its dirty in  here" "i don't like this spot" "I am not feeling this
DJ" Thats what you  hear night of and after your event.  Yes you get some
positives but  believe it or not you get more people complaining then just
comming up  and saying "I'm having fun thanks"  I admit this has gotten  to
me.  I used to just look at the dance floor and seeing a large  crowd dancing
was enough to zone those naggers out.  But now it  effects me.  I think to
myself "does anyone appreciate this?"  Throwing a party is hard work and
worst
of all it is stressfull.  What if no one shows up?  What if the police
come? 
What if  fire marshal comes?  What if a fight breaks out?  What if  the
live
act I booked does not interest people?  What if the DJ  plays like
ass?  What
if I loose all my money I have to pay my  mortgage!  It is
stressfull.

When I
go to events and if I do  not like them I keep it to myself.  I know
how hard
the promoter is  working.  I know what it is like to try and take on
the 
responcibilty of making sure everyone has fun.

Appreciate what we  have and
give the promoter some appreciation.  This way
we get more  parties and the
quality will increase.  the promoter will  be
encouraged to run again.

- Egos
I really doubt I need to  delve into this.  But if I have to hear a DJ
announcing to everyone  how much the DJ playing sux one more time it would be
too  many.  I understand sharring your opinion.  But announcing  it is not
constructive.  Do we really need to hear about  this?  Do we need to hear
about how this style of house is better  then that?  Do we need to hear how
"we don't think outside of the  box?"  Do we need to be told to stop
"Nutthugging" on our favorite  DJs?  Do we need to be told to stop
nutthugging
Chicago? Sand Fran?  Germany?  Come on grow up.

I rememeber a day when most
of us  were dancing.  Most of us were waiting for
the next mix.  what  will
the next track be?  But now I see us standing
around with our  arms crossed
frowning at the DJ.  Are you that DJ that
stands  against the wall with the
beer in your hand not impressed?  Get  over
yourself.  Get to dancing create a
vibe.  If your  not feeling it then get
away from the DJ, Get away from the
dance  floor.  Shit maybe you should
leave the party!?  lol it's not  like you
payed to get in anyway lol

- Narrow minded

yeah so  there are fags in the
scene get over yourself..  There are  also
honkeys, spic, jews, niggers,
gooks, and any other deragatory name  you can
think of in the scene.  Yeah so
what if they even have  glowstick in their
hands...  putz.

- Drugs

Yeah
yeah  yeah.  We all know they are there.  But come on people.  Coke? is
this
the 80s? whats up with the 30 somethings still smoking  speed?  How
discusting.  If I am 18 and just kinda  breaking in the scene and all the
old
crusty scensters are drug adicts I  would not want to hang around
either.  Is
this the future we can  tell them to look forward to?    I
understand
recreational use  of some things.  I can even appreciate the
effect it has on
some  crowds.  But we have mothers and fathers who are
smoking speed 
habitually, doing coke every weekend, even driving  home
drunk.  These are
peopel with kids?  It is not good  for the scene.  it
creates paranoia, drama,
long bathroom lines, and  can even make an event
smell like shit.  I recently
walked into a  party and all I smeeled was a
speed pipe.  I turned around and 
walked out.

Not many promoters know what it is like to have to carry  a
person out of
your event to an ambulance.  It is a horrible  feeling. 
horrible.


So what do we need to do?

Promote  fun.  Promte good music.
control our jelousies, And please keep  the
substances under control.

did I
come across holier then thou?  not my intention..

If you have a problem with
me then lets  wrestle.

Cade
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