[Dynagroove] Fwd: The death of house music?

Mon Nov 3 17:46:41 PST 2008

 Cade,
Our paths have rarely crossed in the underground over the last 10 years, since we are both on opposite sides of the scene, me being a DJ in the 'rave' side of things..
I remain on this list because: I respect the opinions on here, I respect your events (I have been to a few) and I appreciate your wisdom & insight into your experiences. If I am not booked elsewhere, I always try to make your events because of the authentic underground quality I know will be there. Though I have not been to many Dynagrooves, I have ALWAYS had a great time when I made it, and I have never asked for guestlist. And though we are on opposite sides of the tracks, when you break down the parties to their basic elements, theyre really not that different.
>From one house warrior to another, thanks for doing what you do- and dont let anyone bring you down. 

Jason Splat?

 Los Angles underground since 1991

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Linseth <linsethboxing at yahoo.com>
To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 4:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Dynagroove] Fwd:  The death of house music?

great post man... thats tight, i like how your friend walked around and said
to anyone,"yeah, im having a great night" thats tight, i kind of do that at
every party i go to except i just put my fist out and get dabs as i "groove
walk"?through the area??? :-) 

________________________________
From:
"BadIYE at aol.com" <BadIYE at aol.com>
To: dynagroove at dynagroove.com
Sent: Sunday,
November 2, 2008 1:56:24 AM
Subject: [Dynagroove] Fwd: The death of house
music?

____________________________________
From: BadIYE
To:
cade at dynagroove.com
Sent: 10/31/2008 3:02:19 P.M.? Pacific Daylight Time
Subj:
Re: [Dynagroove] The death of house? music?

One of my favorite moments ever
as a promoter was when my good? friend Sergio 
(now deceased unfortunately),
came to me at a party I was? promoting (can't 
remember which right now).? He
had this huge grin, eyes? all smiles, put his 
arm around me and said, "hey
man, i'm having a great? time"...My sceptical ass 
said "oh, E hitting you
pretty good or what?" and he? said "nah, this is only 
my second, and final,
beer", and i realized,? yeah, he don't look altered at 
all, just relaxed,
exactly the way a second? beer would make you feel.? And then 
I said "So you
must be liking this? DJ's set, eh?" and he said "are you 
kidding?? this guy
is horrible!? where the hell did you find him?" and just then I 
realized the
DJ was in fact? playing some cheezy house mix of The Never 
Ending Story (no
joke).? I? winced and took a mental note "DON'T hire him again!".? 
I must?
have looked back at Sergio with a look of confusion...because he 
laughed? and
said "Duuude!!? just look around you!".? 

I then took what must have been my
first non-stressed out look? of the night, 
at the dance floor and at the
bar.? Everyone I saw was? smiling, laughing, 
dancing, conversing and in some
way enjoying their time? there...no one seemed 
to care that at that
particular moment, the music? sucked (not even the half 
dozen DJs in the
crowd who didn't even flinch or? rush to me to complain); or 
that the bar was
3 deep with only one? bartender, or that the venue was nothing 
out of? the
ordinary; or that there was a long line to the co-ed? bathroom.? 
For whatever
reason, that specific night,? everyone who came left all that 
baggage behind
and they just,? collectively...let it go.? And I realized:? Isn't 
that the?
purpose of our scene after all? To just let go? THIS? is the way it's
supposed to be.? We shouldn't always be chasing the? "perfect" night.? 

A
wave of positive feeling washed over me. I clearly remember? looking back 
at
Sergio.? He was no longer paying attention to me.? He continued to smile,
scoping the club and repeating to no one in? particular: "yeah, man, i'm
having a great time"....

Imad
housesaladla.com

In a message dated
10/21/2008 3:58:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,? 
cade at dynagroove.com writes:
OK it? is only natural that I start to pipe in.? *wink*

Is house music?
dying?? No not really considering that house is still making
the? charts
today.? House has been hitting the charts for the last 15++? years
D-lite,
Daft Punk, and now that Estelle remix and tons of others I? am sure I
am
skipping.

Every city has the superclub that has it's? "house" night.? It may
not really
be the house that I like and? borderline cheesy.? I also think
house has
evolved.? If? any of you have been in the "electo-house" scene you
know
"house" is far? from dead.? in fact I popped by an "electro-house" event
this
past? saturday that had 700+ people in it.? Mind you it was probably a
16? -
26 year old crowd.? But this is now their music.? Just? like
"Disco-House" I
consider my generation's "house" music.

House? is no
different then any other Genre.? Compair it to rock and? roll.
It went from
elvis and some how got all the way to creed? lol House? is no
different.? Some
genres are more popular than? others.? I kinda think of the
electro house as
the euro sythesizer? rock of the 80s.? ha

So house is far from dead.
However? underground house is pretty much extinct.? We are probably one? of
the last cities in the world that still does this type of thing. So? yeah it
is almost dead.? It lives in LA barely.? But I see do? see that the scene is
only shrinking.? In my opinion it comes down? to the following reasons

1)?
Lack of unity
2)? Lack of? money
3)? lack of appreciation
4)? too many egos
5)? narrow minded people
6)? Drugs

I am sure I can think of? more.

But lets
break these down

- Lack of unity

It? amazes me how many people tell me they
have my back, Support me, want? to
"help" me, want to "get involved" but then
they end up running against? me.
I understand there are going to be people who
run against you.? But these
are people who preach unity and preach their
support.? These are people you
put on the guest list for years, these are
sometimes? DJs you book, These are
even sometimes promoters you have combined
forces? with before.? No matter
how far ahead I announce my party and get? the
word out.? Someone who has
always claimed to be a supporter runs? against me.?
When I book a date I make
sure it is not conflicting? with any of the normal
players.? I have moved
dates, canceled? events, and even combined events when
I did not want to.? I
see a? core group of promoters that do the same but a
lot of people? don't.

The most negative effect I see because of this is
crowds? getting split.
Both events hurting.? Imagine taking someone to their?
frist underground and
it is only 1/3 capacity?? Ever heard or told? someone
"It is normally more
packed then this?"

- Lack of? money

Whenever some new
promoter comes and asks me for advice the? first thing I
tell them is "Don't
expect to make any money out of? this."? There is no
money in underground
events.? It is cause? for celibration if you break
even.? lol the last
dynagroove I lost? $500 and when I told some other
promoters you know what
they said to? me?? "Oh nice!? not bad at all!" lol

It amazes me how? people
assume you make all this money.? If I were making
money on? this I would be
doing more then 3 - 5 parties a year trust me.? ? So
now we have to save money
to do the party.? We have to save money? to loose
money.? Explain that to me.
lol

i understand that? 420 is a lot of money to people.? I guest list people
we
all? do.? But if you can't afford $20 but can afford $10 instead of? asking
for the guest list maybe offer your $10 up?

-? Lack Of? Appreciation

I spend
3 -4 months planning an event.? I put 5k of? my own money into it.
Then I
start getting emails "Yo cade I am one of? your biggest supporters can
you
hook up a guest list!?"? "its too? dark"? Its too bright"? "its not loud
enough" "there are no? visuals" "you don't have real bathrooms only porta
potties" "its dirty in? here" "i don't like this spot" "I am not feeling this
DJ" Thats what you? hear night of and after your event.? Yes you get some
positives but? believe it or not you get more people complaining then just
comming up? and saying "I'm having fun thanks"? I admit this has gotten? to
me.? I used to just look at the dance floor and seeing a large? crowd dancing
was enough to zone those naggers out.? But now it? effects me.? I think to
myself "does anyone appreciate this?"? Throwing a party is hard work and
worst
of all it is stressfull.? What if no one shows up?? What if the police
come??
What if? fire marshal comes?? What if a fight breaks out?? What if? the
live
act I booked does not interest people?? What if the DJ? plays like
ass?? What
if I loose all my money I have to pay my? mortgage!? It is
stressfull.

When I
go to events and if I do? not like them I keep it to myself.? I know
how hard
the promoter is? working.? I know what it is like to try and take on
the?
responcibilty of making sure everyone has fun.

Appreciate what we? have and
give the promoter some appreciation.? This way
we get more? parties and the
quality will increase.? the promoter will? be
encouraged to run again.

- Egos
I really doubt I need to? delve into this.? But if I have to hear a DJ
announcing to everyone? how much the DJ playing sux one more time it would be
too? many.? I understand sharring your opinion.? But announcing? it is not
constructive.? Do we really need to hear about? this?? Do we need to hear
about how this style of house is better? then that?? Do we need to hear how
"we don't think outside of the? box?"? Do we need to be told to stop
"Nutthugging" on our favorite? DJs?? Do we need to be told to stop
nutthugging
Chicago? Sand Fran?? Germany?? Come on grow up.

I rememeber a day when most
of us? were dancing.? Most of us were waiting for
the next mix.? what? will
the next track be?? But now I see us standing
around with our? arms crossed
frowning at the DJ.? Are you that DJ that
stands? against the wall with the
beer in your hand not impressed?? Get? over
yourself.? Get to dancing create a
vibe.? If your? not feeling it then get
away from the DJ, Get away from the
dance? floor.? Shit maybe you should
leave the party!?? lol it's not? like you
payed to get in anyway lol

- Narrow minded

yeah so? there are fags in the
scene get over yourself..? There are? also
honkeys, spic, jews, niggers,
gooks, and any other deragatory name? you can
think of in the scene.? Yeah so
what if they even have? glowstick in their
hands...? putz.

- Drugs

Yeah
yeah? yeah.? We all know they are there.? But come on people.? Coke? is
this
the 80s? whats up with the 30 somethings still smoking? speed?? How
discusting.? If I am 18 and just kinda? breaking in the scene and all the
old
crusty scensters are drug adicts I? would not want to hang around
either.? Is
this the future we can? tell them to look forward to?? ? I
understand
recreational use? of some things.? I can even appreciate the
effect it has on
some? crowds.? But we have mothers and fathers who are
smoking speed?
habitually, doing coke every weekend, even driving? home
drunk.? These are
peopel with kids?? It is not good? for the scene.? it
creates paranoia, drama,
long bathroom lines, and? can even make an event
smell like shit.? I recently
walked into a? party and all I smeeled was a
speed pipe.? I turned around and?
walked out.

Not many promoters know what it is like to have to carry? a
person out of
your event to an ambulance.? It is a horrible? feeling.?
horrible.

So what do we need to do?

Promote? fun.? Promte good music.
control our jelousies, And please keep? the
substances under control.

did I
come across holier then thou?? not my intention..

If you have a problem with
me then lets? wrestle.

Cade
_________________________________________

View?
the? Archives:
http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/dynagroove/
____________________________________
Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel.
_Check? out Today's Hot 5 Travel? 
Deals!_
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http
://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)
**************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel.? Check out Today's Hot
5 Travel Deals!
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http
://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)
_________________________________________

View the Archives:
http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/dynagroove/

_________________________________________

View the Archives:
http://mailman.newdream.net/pipermail/dynagroove/