[Dynagroove] FW: Monster Review. Straight Pathetic I mean really...

[Joseph Munguia]

Josh is right about a lot, it was an event designed to make a "monster"
amount of cash.

I'm with Robert on his getting in complaint.  The very same venues can
process the same amount of people very efficiently, three and a half hours
is shameful and is directly related to the amount of support staff hired.

Robert I'm assuming there are no futher plans to attend another massive so
my question is this, did you promote here?

I would have carried in as many fliers as possible through the group you
rolled with.  If they have a backpack, they're getting a flyer...

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Josh Billings <josh at mindboxmedia.com>wrote:

> Ok...as many of you know i'm not a fan of massive events, but i'm going to
> defend Monster Massive in this case. I just feel like they were being picked
> on here...
>
> 70-80 thousand people is a LOT Of people to get in no matter how hard you
> plan for it. With like 500 people for farina it took a lot of people about
> 30 minutes to get in...granted they had a LOT more people working the door
> and a lot more entrances, but still i think you gotta cut em a little slack
> here. I'm not saying 3.5 hours is justified, but it's gotta be super
> difficult getting that many people inside a spot quickly.
>
> No comment on the staff member, can't defend something i don't know about
> completely
>
> Sound system was almost definitely not the sound guy's fault...i'm saying
> 99% of the time it's an idiot DJ Cranking the mids and highs because they
> are super deaf. And sound systems should NOT have compression on them if
> they are playing back pre-recorded music (it's already way too compressed).
> I'm assuming it was a Vertech Line array system and those things are rock
> concert sound systems, but you don't have a lot of options when trying to
> fill up an arena with sound
>
> Music...you said yourself you should have known better when you looked at
> the lineup. I think the people that went to this event knew what they wanted
> and this event delivered. Weather or not it was your cup of tea (clearly
> not) is different. You can't expect to go to one of these and hear
> underground artists nobody's ever heard before, this is a major major event
> and it's purpose is to generally make money. Local commercial artists
> wouldn't have the draw a lot of these other artists did...thus them making
> more money.
>
> It's a Rave...Kids are going to be on drugs...you had to know that
>
> Drink prices...do you complain when you go to a movie, Disneyland or the
> baseball game? Shit is stupid expensive when people will pay for it. Supply
> and demand, what are you gonna do, they are just trying to make their money.
> If people stopped going to disneyland because food prices were too
> expensive, i guarantee they would lower food prices, but that's not the case
> here. Monster Massive attendance has grown an insane amount every year and
> they will charge what they can get for concessions.
>
> That's like saying somebody who went to disneyland and spent thousands of
> dollars on just a few days including hotels and stuff that their kids will
> never have an imagination. This is capitalism and while i don't run my club
> with a strong motivation to make money (I have money, i just really enjoy
> the club), it's not a bad thing that they are. They are providing a
> legitimate event that people like and demand (over the past few years it has
> grown a tremendous amount). I'm glad these events exist, because they DO
> show younger kids something other than what's on MTV and it does give us a
> chance to expose them to these different sub-genres of dance music we love.
>
> Anyways, i'm not saying it's my cup of tea (you didn't see me there), but i
> can see how a lot of people can really enjoy it and I'm glad they are doing
> it and have been successful with finances while doing an event tens of
> thousands of people enjoy.
>
> -Josh Billings
>
>
> Robert Basch wrote:
>
>> I rarely post and even more rarely post review especially if I have
>> nothing
>> nice to say. Was not going to attend as I had a pretty good idea what to
>> expect, but thought don't be so stuck up have fun with friends (whom were
>> promptly lost)
>>
>> Ok got there early 6:00 line management was in the hole and I finally made
>> it in at 9:30
>> At that point went up to the balcony with a friend who was working the
>> party. Within 15 minutes a security Guard (one of the event staff in a
>> yellow jacket) tried to jack my friend. He was not concerned with what was
>> going on just wanted to jack. Don't know how to put it otherwise. Mr.
>> security guard got his ass kicked in the shadows.
>> Sound system: MASSIVE -REDICULOUS- in the sense that if I was at a rock
>> concert it would have been awesome. But being a sound guy this was the
>> worst
>> huge system I've ever heard. It was a rock concert system. Not a massive
>> or
>> club system. No low frequency effects. No compression. PURE HIGH FREQ at a
>> million watts to cut your brain.
>>
>> Music: I think I heard every single shitty euro electro POP DANCE mash up
>> ever made. I'm a minimal tech house head so appreciate progression. But
>> come
>> on progress. I felt like I was listening to the same Christina Aguilera or
>> Britney remix over and over and over and over again. No story whatsoever,
>> no
>> taking you places, the dj was obviously very taken with himself on every
>> stage and forgot to play something different. I should of known when
>> looking
>> at the line up
>>
>> Which brings me to the lineup. Wow could you of booked any shadier for
>> such
>> a large scale event. No concern for good music just big commercial
>> dummies.
>> Who probably got paid too much when they could have booked wicked talent
>> for
>> much cheaper. Even the local commercial heroes would of done
>> WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAy better.
>>
>> Kids on drugs. AHAHAHAHA. As entertaining as they can be. 80,000 kids who
>> can't handle drugs on more than they have ever done in their life, really
>> annoying. Jumping bouncing sweaty shirtless (sounds chill?) just plowing
>> into you, stumbling. Huge women freaking the ghetto of LA everywhere.
>>
>> Drinks ranged from 5 dollars for a bottle of water to 10 dollars for a
>>  can
>> of Coors light.
>> I witnessed Gluttony and Greed and so many levels I can't describe.
>> Definitely losing at least a little sleep over what I saw from the
>> promotion
>> and the crowd. I understand the scene and the massive scene very well and
>> don't think anything is killing anything  and I don't think anything is
>> dead. But man these greedy mo fos are sure making it hard for us to teach
>> the next generation what it's all about because they really are innocent.
>> Which was obvious by the amount of ignorance.
>>
>>
>> I want those hours of my life back.
>>
>>
>>
>> p.s. a really real party where im likely going to lose my ass
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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>>
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