[Groop]sergio on the web

Jason Roberts blaster24@hotmail.com
Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:55:43 -0500


Last Thanksgiving weekend, I met Sergio and sat in a panel room dissuccion. 
I got the same idea the Sergio isn't thrilled with posting his work on the 
internet. It's how he makes his living and as I remeber him putting it, he 
don't get paid putting his work up on the internet when anyone can view it 
for free. It's like the napster controversy, music industry makes no money 
from it cause it's free. or was till the courts shut it down... Wonder why 
book publishers never sued public libraries.
Jason

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>Here's my opinion... and it's not to rain on your parades. I've thought
>about all of this before, but buried the ideas because of talks with 
>Sergio.
>And I'm incrediably sure that M.E. will correct me if I'm wrong.
>
>First off, no picture embeded into the html code is 'copy-proof', yes, you
>can make it incrediable difficult to snag, but not impossible. (I'm
>essentially referring to .jpgs, .gifs, bitmaps., etc.)
>
>Here's the most important part: From past talks with Sergio, I don't
>*believe* he's too hip to the internet thing really. He *may* like it for 
>an
>advertisement medium and for learning, but I don't believe he'd like his
>works transposed into electronic 1's & 0's. Let me explain better. (And
>again, this is if I remember the conversation I had with him. M.E., please
>put my foot in my mouth if I'm wrong.) Sergio believes in the "magic" of 
>pen
>and paper. It's kind of hard to explain, but I understand him perfectly. As
>our society becomes more and more electronically advanced, older and more
>archiac traditions will slowly vanish. It would be equivilant to Master and
>Apprentice relations from the late 1800's and early 1900's. I'm rambling.
>It's hard for me to explain, but I know what he means.
>
>You'd probably have a better shot at getting a video of his studio and
>putting that into some sort of viewable internet media... but do not expect
>a 24 hour live cam!!!!! (though that would be cool!)
>
>Again, not raining on anyone's parade, just trying to enlighten you to a
>differnt angle other than the copyright angle. It's not always about
>copyright (though that serves a large portion)
>
>-shane
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: groop-admin@groo.com [mailto:groop-admin@groo.com]On Behalf Of
>Chad Riden
>Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 8:18 AM
>To: groop@groo.com
>Subject: [Groop]sergio on the web
>
>
>
>--- Josh 'Evening O' Jones <josh@newdream.net> wrote:
> > But what would be really cool is an online archive of all the old groos.
>
>that's a great idea.
>
>another thing i thought of was an IPIX virtual tour of Sergio's studio.
>Those aren't too expensive and they take about 5 minutes to set up on a
>website.. I've done several of them. I imagine thousands of people would
>be interested in seeing that!
>
>
>
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