[Groop]I have to gripe a little bit.
Mark Brown
mark@6thebrownhouse.freeserve.co.uk
Tue, 21 May 2002 21:50:22 +0100
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I was so pleased just to get a copy of Destroyer Duck that I didn't mind
that it wasn't in perfect condition.
It was perfect enough for my purposes - and that's what it is all about
One mans junk is another mans treasure....
M.
Subject: Re: [Groop]I have to gripe a little bit.
Shane,
In this instance, I have to agree with you........BOY do I have to agree
with you! If anyone that read your post follows the link to that ebay
listing and they scrutinize it closely, they'd see the seller said the comic
comes with a "hand signed" certificate with the winner's name on it. CGC
does not issue certificates - this guy probably made it up himself! I had
to read it twice because the first time I thought it meant Sergio and ME had
signed that copy. The only thing hand signed is the seller's own
certificate! The fact of the matter is, the Image Groo is so recent that
there's probably plenty of people with a Groo #1 in 9.9 condition; it is
just that no one else sent one in to be "slabbed."
Aside from this guy and probably a handful of others trying to take
advantage of the CGC service, I will defend the company. As a collector of
comics for about 10 years now, I've been burned by people claiming their
comics were in better condition than they actually were. My spending habits
are such that I haven't lost too much money as a result of other sellers
inflating the value, but I felt I wasted money nonetheless. I also
understand that if I paid a NM price for a copy of Action Comics #1 when it
was crinkled, torn, and brown, I'd probably complain a lot more (although if
I bought a copy of Action Comics #1 sight unseen I'd probably be an
eccentric billionaire). Although every time I make a comic purchase, I
learn something new and become evermore careful.
It is true that comics grading is arbitrary and subjective, but CGC has
come up with a standard I agree with.
CGC comics are priced higher than normal, "unslabbed" comics, and many
people are willing to pay for it because they are assured a NM comic will
not be missing a page or have coffee stains on it (those are just 2 examples
of ways I've been burned in the past). While I haven't bought a CGC comic,
I have several of my own that are slabbed. I slabbed them because I think
they make very nice framed art - better than regular comic frames. I am
thinking of slabbing some silver age comics before selling them because they
are in very nice condition and, frankly, I am afraid that someone's going to
tell me their grade isn't as good as I think it is. CGC provides a middle
ground most of us agree with.
Rest assured, if I ever buy a CGC slabbed comic, I'll definately open it
because I am not going to buy a comic without reading it. But I definately
agree with you that the guy trying to sell a slabbed Image Groo #1 for $150
is doomed to disappointment.
Stepping down from my own soapbox......
Elie
In a message dated 5/21/2002 12:10:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
sac@foolarchy.com writes:
Subj:[Groop]I have to gripe a little bit.
Date:5/21/2002 12:10:30 PM Central Daylight Time
From:sac@foolarchy.com
To:groop@groo.com
Sent from the Internet
Okay, out of my lurking corner with a soapbox in hand!
I've only been collecting comics since the late 70s. But comics have
always held a 'magic' value to me. I'm of that bread that actually reads the
comics. I don't simply purchase comics and seal them in air tight bullet
proof titanium casings. Don't get me wrong either, because I treat my comics
with the utmost of care. I take great care of them.
Enter CGC. Now, I'm a fair person and I can see both sides of CGC. But,
alas, for me, it is a bad thing. I'm a collector that likes to delve into my
purchases.. my treasures. I just don't appreciate the fact that if I find a
comic I want and it's slabbed with a CGC rating/case, then not only am I
most likely going to pay a much larger price, but I'm also going to make
that price an extra financial waste because I'm going to break the CGC slab
seal and read my book.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2102602107
Now I love Groo. Groo is a comic book that is meant to be handled and
read... read many times over infact. I love the fact that a Groo comic could
be 'valued' at $90. I won't mention that it's pretty damned easy to find
high grade books on nearly any title/issue from the 1980s and up.
What really bothers me is that this is a slabbed Groo. I mean, it's Groo
for crying out loud... this is a book that is meant to be opened and
cherished. To be absorbed in the multitude of images and colors. Not sealed.
I could understand if it was an Amazing Fantasy #15 that you had in a CGC
slab... because then you could just read the reprint.
I don't know. I digress. As a fan of comics, my opinion is that CGC has
not been a positive thing for my genre of collectors whose pockets are not
lined with money. CGC seems to have just become a way to make merchants more
rich.
I'll get off my soapbox now.
~Shane
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<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Groop]I have to gripe a little=20
bit.<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT =
face=3DArial lang=3D0=20
size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Shane,<BR><BR>In this instance, I have =
to agree with=20
you........BOY do I have to agree with you! If anyone that read =
your=20
post follows the link to that ebay listing and they scrutinize it =
closely,=20
they'd see the seller said the comic comes with a "hand signed" =
certificate=20
with the winner's name on it. CGC does not issue certificates - =
this guy=20
probably made it up himself! I had to read it twice because the =
first=20
time I thought it meant Sergio and ME had signed that copy. The =
only=20
thing hand signed is the seller's own certificate! The fact of =
the=20
matter is, the Image Groo is so recent that there's probably plenty of =
people=20
with a Groo #1 in 9.9 condition; it is just that no one else sent one =
in to be=20
"slabbed." <BR><BR>Aside from this guy and probably a handful of =
others=20
trying to take advantage of the CGC service, I will defend the =
company. =20
As a collector of comics for about 10 years now, I've been burned by =
people=20
claiming their comics were in better condition than they actually =
were. =20
My spending habits are such that I haven't lost too much money as a =
result of=20
other sellers inflating the value, but I felt I wasted money=20
nonetheless. I also understand that if I paid a NM price for a =
copy of=20
Action Comics #1 when it was crinkled, torn, and brown, I'd probably =
complain=20
a lot more (although if I bought a copy of Action Comics #1 sight =
unseen I'd=20
probably be an eccentric billionaire). Although every time I =
make a=20
comic purchase, I learn something new and become evermore =
careful.<BR><BR>It=20
is true that comics grading is arbitrary and subjective, but CGC has =
come up=20
with a standard I agree with. <BR><BR>CGC comics are priced =
higher than=20
normal, "unslabbed" comics, and many people are willing to pay for it =
because=20
they are assured a NM comic will not be missing a page or have coffee =
stains=20
on it (those are just 2 examples of ways I've been burned in the =
past). =20
While I haven't bought a CGC comic, I have several of my own that are=20
slabbed. I slabbed them because I think they make very nice =
framed art -=20
better than regular comic frames. I am thinking of slabbing some =
silver=20
age comics before selling them because they are in very nice condition =
and,=20
frankly, I am afraid that someone's going to tell me their grade isn't =
as good=20
as I think it is. CGC provides a middle ground most of us agree=20
with.<BR><BR>Rest assured, if I ever buy a CGC slabbed comic, I'll =
definately=20
open it because I am not going to buy a comic without reading =
it. But I=20
definately agree with you that the guy trying to sell a slabbed Image =
Groo #1=20
for $150 is doomed to disappointment.<BR><BR>Stepping down from my own =
soapbox......<BR>Elie<BR><BR>In a message dated 5/21/2002 12:10:30 PM =
Central=20
Daylight Time, sac@foolarchy.com writes:<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">Subj:<B>[Groop]I have to gripe a little bit.=20
</B><BR>Date:5/21/2002 12:10:30 PM Central Daylight Time<BR>From:<A=20
href=3D"mailto:sac@foolarchy.com">sac@foolarchy.com</A><BR>To:<A=20
href=3D"mailto:groop@groo.com">groop@groo.com</A><BR><I>Sent from =
the Internet=20
</I><BR><BR><BR><BR>Okay, out of my lurking corner with a soapbox in =
hand!<BR><BR>I've only been collecting comics since the late 70s. =
But comics=20
have always held a 'magic' value to me. I'm of that bread that =
actually=20
reads the comics. I don't simply purchase comics and seal them in =
air tight=20
bullet proof titanium casings. Don't get me wrong either, because I =
treat my=20
comics with the utmost of care. I take great care of =
them.<BR><BR>Enter CGC.=20
Now, I'm a fair person and I can see both sides of CGC. But, alas, =
for me,=20
it is a bad thing. I'm a collector that likes to delve into my =
purchases..=20
my treasures. I just don't appreciate the fact that if I find a =
comic I want=20
and it's slabbed with a CGC rating/case, then not only am I most =
likely=20
going to pay a much larger price, but I'm also going to make that =
price an=20
extra financial waste because I'm going to break the CGC slab seal =
and read=20
my=20
=
book.<BR><BR>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D210=
2602107<BR><BR>Now=20
I love Groo. Groo is a comic book that is meant to be handled and =
read...=20
read many times over infact. I love the fact that a Groo comic could =
be=20
'valued' at $90. I won't mention that it's pretty damned easy to =
find high=20
grade books on nearly any title/issue from the 1980s and =
up.<BR><BR>What=20
really bothers me is that this is a slabbed Groo. I mean, it's Groo =
for=20
crying out loud... this is a book that is meant to be opened and =
cherished.=20
To be absorbed in the multitude of images and colors. Not sealed. I =
could=20
understand if it was an Amazing Fantasy #15 that you had in a CGC =
slab...=20
because then you could just read the reprint.<BR><BR>I don't know. I =
digress. As a fan of comics, my opinion is that CGC has not been a =
positive=20
thing for my genre of collectors whose pockets are not lined with =
money. CGC=20
seems to have just become a way to make merchants more =
rich.<BR><BR>I'll get=20
off my soapbox=20
=
now.<BR><BR>~Shane<BR><BR>-----------------------------------------------=
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