[Groop] (File Sharing)

[Grossmann, Gary]

Again, it is not a question of sales and money.  As I understand it anyway,
it is a question of copyright law AND what the owner of the copyright does
or does not allow (which obviously may be determined by money, but that's
not the same thing.)     
 
Recording something from your TV for your personal enjoyment to be watched
at a time convenient for you is not, as I understand things, a violation of
copyright law.  And even if it is, I'm sure none of the copyright owners
care. TV shows and music are completely different comodities and there is a
completely different marketplace & technology dynamic.  
 
And Tivo has nothing to do with whether copyright laws are being violated.
I am not obligated to watch commercials just as advertisers are not
obligated to advertise.  And if they can negotiate a lower rate because of
Tivo use, well, that's between then and the networks.  And if a company
spends too much money on advertising that doesn't work because no one
watches it, that's between them and their stockholders.  But again, this is
tangental and has nothing to do with violating copyright law or the wishes
of copyright owners.   -Gary G.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Groopunk at aol.com [mailto:Groopunk at aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:59 PM
To: groop at groo.com
Subject: Re: [Groop] (File Sharing)


In a message dated 1/29/2004 4:50:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
GaryG at DOR.WA.GOV writes:



As to the other things Seth brings up, the recording industry is analogous.
You shouldn't tape music and give it to friends or accept them.  

Television is a whole different ball game.  That's apples an oranges,
although less so with movies and MTV.



But there is a provision made in the law granting permission for music
swapping.  It IS legal.  It was made long ago to allow people to make mix
tapes or dubs for friends - as long as it wasn't mass-marketed.  This is a
point that has come up during the initial lawsuits by the recording industry
towards filesharers.
And television ISN'T a whole different ballgame.  If people are fast
forwarding or able to prevent the taping of commercials, then they are
affecting my industry.  If a commercial isn't selling a product, then said
product loses money and can't pay for more commercials....  Shall I start
blaming this downturn on those of you with TiVo and VCRs?

-seth- 

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