[Groop] GROO Odyssey Hard Cover?

Mon Sep 27 09:31:12 PDT 2010

Hi Folks!

Hard to say about the on demand v. in stock question.  Remember, Follett
will only sell them to a school or library.  

I originally thought the different ISBN was significant.  But then I did
some research and found that  anytime a business does anything to a book
on a business-to-business basis, it is supposed to give the book a
different ISBN, which is based on the businesses location and who the
business is in addition to the fact that the book has been altered.  

I don't know about W.W. Norton and the UY books, but the bottom line for
me with respect to the Groo trades in hardback, whether by Follett or
Paw Prints, is that they are NOT reprint editions in hardback published
in cooperation with Sergio & Dark Horse.  They are merely soft cover
trades that a couple of companies have purchased and rebound in hardback
(aka "library binding") format.   

Sergio and Dark Horse didn't even know they existed until I showed
Sergio one at the Con and he took it to a meeting with Dark Horse.  So
while they are interesting items, I don't see them as any different from
a trade that I could take to a bindery and have rebound in hardback
format.  And since they are not Groo reprints, I will not be adding them
to the Groo List (and obsessively collect them).  At least not under the
reprint section.  

But that's just me.     

Gary G. 

From: groop-bounces at groo.com [mailto:groop-bounces at groo.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Hubbell
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:25 PM
To: groo gram
Subject: Re: [Groop] GROO Odyssey Hard Cover? (maddening at netzero.net)

I wonder if the Follet company is a print on demand, or in this case a
bind on demand, company. All of the Usagi Yojimbo titles they list as
being available as folletbound have a 6 week shipping time, but the
regular editions ship in 1-2 weeks. 

They also list a "hardcover" edition of some of the books, but they have
a NORTON, W.W. listed as publisher??? The ISBN is differant as well. As
far as I've seen so far, the library editions are not considered
reprints, but they all receive  their own ISBN's.  

Sorry for going off-topic from Groo library editions to Usagi library
editions.....

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From: grossfamm at comcast.net
To: groop at groo.com
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:06:34 -0700
Subject: Re: [Groop] GROO Odyssey Hard Cover? (maddening at netzero.net)

I just got the name backwards.  That's them.  

	----- Original Message ----- 

	From: Steve Hubbell <mailto:usagigoya at hotmail.com>  

	To: groo gram <mailto:groop at groo.com>  

	Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:02 PM

	Subject: Re: [Groop] GROO Odyssey Hard Cover?
(maddening at netzero.net)

	There are a couple other companies which also have done similar
library bound hardcovers of the Usagi Yojimbo books over the years.
	Along with Paw Prints (which is produced the most rebound
editions), there has also been books from Sagebrush and Turtleback.

	The company "Taylor-Baker"  sounds like a spin on the mega-giant
book distributor Baker & Taylor....

________________________________

	From: garyg5678 at live.com
	To: groop at groo.com
	Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 11:38:43 -0700
	Subject: Re: [Groop] GROO Odyssey Hard Cover?
(maddening at netzero.net)

	Hi Folks!  

	OK, here is everything I have found out about the Groo Trade
Hardbacks:   

	There are two companies that produce (notice I didn't say
"publish") the Groo hardbacks. Follett did the one on ebay. They sell
exclusively to schools & libraries, but obviously one slipped through a
crack. I think you have to be a registered "member" to buy the book from
the site Jim linked to, and you have to be a school or library to be a
member.  The other company is Taylor-Baker under their "Paw Prints"
label. They sell to retailers in addition to schools and libraries, but
it's strictly business-to-business. The Paw Prints books look a little
nicer because they don't have that gap, or interruption, in the wrap
around cover art that the Follett edition has.  And there is apparently
a bigger market for hardbacks overseas than domestically.  

	Another thing I found out is that none of the trade hardbacks
can be considered "reprints." Dark Horse didn't even know they were
being made! The Paw Prints people are doing exactly the same thing as
the Follett folks, just in a different way; buying prints of the trade
and rebinding them as hardbacks. It's no different from you taking a
Groo trade to any bindery and having them rebind it as a hardback,
except these folks are anticipating the market for such things. That's
not a "reprint." So I won't be putting either on the Groo List, although
I may mention them somewhere. 

	So that's the story.  The ebay price is, of course, completely
stupid.  And, of course, the guy hasn't changed his promo for the book,
even though I have told him all of the above.  

	Take care all,

	Gary G.  (Groo Item Investigator)  

	> From: macquarrie at earthlink.net
	> To: groop at groo.com
	> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 07:49:40 -0700
	> Subject: Re: [Groop] GROO Odyssey Hard Cover?
(maddening at netzero.net)
	> 
	> I'm half-tempted to post this to the comments on that Ebay
auction:
	> 
	>
http://www.fes.follett.com/follett_fes_general/bookdetails.cfm?bID=86819
78&bc=New&P=1&isbn=NONE&L=0&CFID=7489759&CFTOKEN=49740593
	> 
	> That book is worth $10, not $2000. What a scam!
	> 
	> Jim
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